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Post by European Lefty on Jun 27, 2020 19:25:07 GMT
If you want to know how this seat would vote if it were in England, look at results in Manchester, Withington and Norwich South. Isn't most of this seat much richer than either of those two? The South West London seats would probably be a better example. |
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 27, 2020 19:41:58 GMT
Isn't most of this seat much richer than either of those two? The South West London seats would probably be a better example. Possibly richer yes. However like Edinburgh South, Manchester Withington and Norwich South were also Labour gains in 1987 and include affluent areas that were good for the Tories up to Thatcher. Those seats also saw the Lib Dems become competitive in the 2000s. Maybe Bristol West and Leeds North West are better comparisons. However, those two are reasonably deprived seats with some richer areas, while this is a rich seat with some more deprived communities. That makes for a very different profile and very different voting patterns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 20:02:21 GMT
However, those two are reasonably deprived seats with some richer areas, while this is a rich seat with some more deprived communities. That makes for a very different profile and very different voting patterns. Maybe Sheffield Hallam and Oxford West are similar then. *curses under breath, not this crap again* Edinburgh South(ern) has nothing in common with Sheffield Hallam and Oxford West FFS, why do you always insist on finding a comparative English seat with Scottish constituencies where there are none to be found and start these drawn out pointless discussions? Scottish and English constituencies do not vote in the same manner, and that is the crux of the matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 20:10:46 GMT
*curses under breath, not this crap again* Edinburgh South(ern) has nothing in common with Sheffield Hallam and Oxford West FFS, why do you always insist on finding a comparative English seat with Scottish constituencies where there are none to be found and start these drawn out pointless discussions? Scottish and English constituencies do not vote in the same manner, and that is the crux of the matter. We are still, just, the same country. What I've found with this site is if you make enough assertions/claims/comparisons, one day you'll be right. You really don't "get" Scottish politics very well, do you? |
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 27, 2020 20:10:55 GMT
*curses under breath, not this crap again* Edinburgh South(ern) has nothing in common with Sheffield Hallam and Oxford West FFS, why do you always insist on finding a comparative English seat with Scottish constituencies where there are none to be found and start these drawn out pointless discussions? Scottish and English constituencies do not vote in the same manner, and that is the crux of the matter. We're still, just, the same country. There are numerous examples of constituencies that would have completely unrecognisable voting patterns if they were in a different part of the country. Regional variation is very important to explaining voting patterns. Regardless of that, Edinburgh South still doesn't have a satisfactorily analogous seat anywhere else; somewhere like Twickenham is probably closest, but even that comparison would have a lot of flaws. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 20:15:16 GMT
You really don't "get" Scottish politics very well, do you? I made a lot of money betting against Alex Salmond in 2017 so I'd say I get it to an extent. Taking advice from a certain Scottish Whig rather than your own intuition I'm sure. Hope you didn't put your money where your mouth was in 2019. |
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Post by drw on Jun 27, 2020 20:19:07 GMT
I think Edinburgh is pretty sui generis in the UK and it’s pointless to compare seats like this with others. Nowhere else in the UK is a medium sized, relatively unindustrialised city also one of the constituent nations’ capitals, with resulting government bureaucracy based there, and also a legal/financial centre (meaning that there are substantial segments of the population that in principle should be sympathetic to the Conservatives).
I realise that all cities are unique to a certain degree but Glasgow, for example, can be much more easily equated to Liverpool and Belfast than Edinburgh can anywhere else.
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Post by MacShimidh on Jun 27, 2020 20:33:01 GMT
I think Edinburgh is pretty sui generis in the UK and it’s pointless to compare seats like this with others. Nowhere else in the UK is a medium sized, relatively unindustrialised city also one of the constituent nations’ capital, with resulting government bureaucracy based there, and also a legal/financial centre (meaning that there are substantial segments of the population that in principle should be sympathetic to the Conservatives). I realise that all cities are unique to a certain degree but Glasgow, for example, can be much more easily equated to Liverpool and Belfast than Edinburgh can anywhere else. You're quite right about Edinburgh's legal and financial ties giving it a pro-Conservative bent, and in fact I would go so far as to say it's one of the most Tory-friendly cities in the UK. Every time I go there I'm always struck by how different it feels to anywhere else in Scotland, never mind in England! |
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Post by Benjamin on Jun 27, 2020 21:45:26 GMT
I think Edinburgh is pretty sui generis in the UK and it’s pointless to compare seats like this with others. Nowhere else in the UK is a medium sized, relatively unindustrialised city also one of the constituent nations’ capital, with resulting government bureaucracy based there, and also a legal/financial centre (meaning that there are substantial segments of the population that in principle should be sympathetic to the Conservatives). I realise that all cities are unique to a certain degree but Glasgow, for example, can be much more easily equated to Liverpool and Belfast than Edinburgh can anywhere else. You're quite right about Edinburgh's legal and financial ties giving it a pro-Conservative bent, and in fact I would go so far as to say it's one of the most Tory-friendly cities in the UK. Every time I go there I'm always struck by how different it feels to anywhere else in Scotland, never mind in England! One of the reasons for that is that almost all of the affluent parts of Edinburgh are in the city proper, rather than in adjacent suburban authorities or in a commuter belt. |
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Post by MacShimidh on Jun 27, 2020 22:11:24 GMT
You're quite right about Edinburgh's legal and financial ties giving it a pro-Conservative bent, and in fact I would go so far as to say it's one of the most Tory-friendly cities in the UK. Every time I go there I'm always struck by how different it feels to anywhere else in Scotland, never mind in England! One of the reasons for that is that almost all of the affluent parts of Edinburgh are in the city proper, rather than in adjacent suburban authorities or in a commuter belt. I suppose in that sense, Edinburgh really is a European city. |
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Post by conservativeestimate on Jun 28, 2020 5:36:54 GMT
I have now deleted my posts comparing this seat to various English seats.
Truly, the ability to delete comments is one of the best things about this site.
I just find it so satisfying to make comparisons and lists of seats. Part of having Asperger's I guess.
Any other autistic people here?
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2020 9:38:17 GMT
I have now deleted my posts comparing this seat to various English seats. Truly, the ability to delete comments is one of the best things about this site. I just find it so satisfying to make comparisons and lists of seats. Part of having Asperger's I guess. Any other autistic people here? Nearly all of them. |
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Post by boogieeck on Jun 28, 2020 18:58:35 GMT
I have now deleted my posts comparing this seat to various English seats. Truly, the ability to delete comments is one of the best things about this site. I just find it so satisfying to make comparisons and lists of seats. Part of having Asperger's I guess. Any other autistic people here? All men are on the autistic spectrum. I have a form of Tourettes that causes me to constantly call peopel like you twats even although objectively I know this is rude and not helpful to either of us despite being true |
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 28, 2020 19:30:37 GMT
I have now deleted my posts comparing this seat to various English seats. Truly, the ability to delete comments is one of the best things about this site. I just find it so satisfying to make comparisons and lists of seats. Part of having Asperger's I guess. Any other autistic people here? . I have a form of Tourettes that causes me to constantly call peopel like you twats even although objectively I know this is rude and not helpful to either of us despite being true Don't say that. It's barely true, it's not helpful and it's not the point. |
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Post by boogieeck on Jun 28, 2020 19:35:39 GMT
A woman told me so. So it's true. Even you admit its true. Albeit barely.
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Post by conservativeestimate on Jun 28, 2020 19:41:50 GMT
I have now deleted my posts comparing this seat to various English seats. Truly, the ability to delete comments is one of the best things about this site. I just find it so satisfying to make comparisons and lists of seats. Part of having Asperger's I guess. Any other autistic people here? All men are on the autistic spectrum. I have a form of Tourettes that causes me to constantly call peopel like you twats even although objectively I know this is rude and not helpful to either of us despite being true Sorry you feel that way. To be honest I'm out of my depth after the 2017 elections in Scotland and visit this site to have people to talk to. |
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Post by boogieeck on Jun 28, 2020 19:43:42 GMT
You are perhaps on a journey. Or perhaps on a board game. Throw a six and change your avatar.
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Post by conservativeestimate on Jun 28, 2020 19:50:14 GMT
You are perhaps on a journey. Or perhaps on a board game. Throw a six and change your avatar. My current avatar is an improvement on the fleur-de-lis. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 28, 2020 20:17:08 GMT
Any other autistic people here? All men are on the autistic spectrum. Generally explied by the word "spectrum". |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 28, 2020 20:22:25 GMT
All men are on the autistic spectrum. I have a form of Tourettes that causes me to constantly call peopel like you twats even although objectively I know this is rude and not helpful to either of us despite being true Don't say that. It's barely true, it's not helpful and it's not the point. If it's a spectrum, then everybody's on the spectrum, that's what spectrum means. Something can be at 0.00 or 1.00 on a spectrum, but that still means it's on the spectrum. |
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