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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 16, 2020 19:56:38 GMT
Bness Wilcox attended her last session today. Conservative Lord Cavendish of Furness, a doyen of the English aristocracy, has given notice he will retire on 1st January 2021. Does that mean a hereditary by-election, and if so is it by party or a wider electorate? No. Cavendish of Furness is a Life Peer (created 1990). All the byelections have been on hold for ages - there are four already pending.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 16, 2020 20:46:53 GMT
And given that it was a split from a split (Vanguard) from the UUP, it was one of the more misleading party names One of the first election results books I had was the F.W.S. Craig book of parliamentary election results from 1974-77. My parents found it in a jumble sale and gave it to me for Christmas when I was about 14 - just as I was beginning to be properly aware of what parliamentary elections and constituencies were. I was fascinated by the plethora of different names of the Unionist parties, and I remember reading a lot about the history of Northern Ireland in the 1970s in various library books. If they had been more pedantic in their terminology, they would have advocated that the whole of Ulster (all 9 counties) should be incorporated into the United Kingdom, or would have called themselves the "Northern Ireland (Whatever) Party" instead of the "Ulster (Whatever) Party" (and/or whatever combinations of both). When a territory splits it is far from uncommon for both resulting areas to have names that traditionally encompassed more than they do now. Ireland and Ulster are unusual in that the 32 & 9 county definitions have continued long past partition even when the names have also been applied to just the 26 & 6 county definitions - the Stormont government tried on more than one occasion to get the 6 county province formally renamed to "Ulster" but I don't think they were trying to annex the other counties; on the other hand the southern state adopted the name "Ireland" at the same time it formally restarted claiming the whole island.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 16, 2020 20:52:52 GMT
Does that mean a hereditary by-election, and if so is it by party or a wider electorate? No. Cavendish of Furness is a Life Peer (created 1990). All the byelections have been on hold for ages - there are four already pending. Ah, forgive me for reading "doyen of the English aristocracy" and inferring from that a hereditary peerage.
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 16, 2020 21:43:13 GMT
No. Cavendish of Furness is a Life Peer (created 1990). All the byelections have been on hold for ages - there are four already pending. Ah, forgive me for reading "doyen of the English aristocracy" and inferring from that a hereditary peerage. I suspect “doyen of the English aristocracy” refers to the fact the Cavendish family further up the family tree are the Dukes of Devonshire.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 16, 2020 21:50:39 GMT
Ah, forgive me for reading "doyen of the English aristocracy" and inferring from that a hereditary peerage. I suspect “doyen of the English aristocracy” refers to the fact the Cavendish family further up the family tree are the Dukes of Devonshire. That's probably what threw me. I do remember that the Earl of Onslow used to refer to Cransley Onslow, who took a life peerage as Baron Onslow of Woking, as a member of a cadet branch of the family.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 16, 2020 21:54:47 GMT
Ah, forgive me for reading "doyen of the English aristocracy" and inferring from that a hereditary peerage. I suspect "doyen of the English aristocracy" refers to the fact the Cavendish family further up the family tree are the Dukes of Devonshire. Lord Cavendish of Furness is third in line to the Dukedom through descent from a younger brother of the 9th Duke.
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Post by Wisconsin on Dec 17, 2020 12:41:42 GMT
Baron Lebedev (Baron Lebedev of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation) has just been introduced.
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Post by markgoodair on Dec 17, 2020 12:53:23 GMT
Baron Lebedev (Baron Lebedev of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation) has just been introduced. Nothing says more about standing up for British democracy than appointing a Russian oligarch to the House of Lords.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 17, 2020 13:37:35 GMT
Baron Lebedev (Baron Lebedev of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation) has just been introduced. A modest territorial designation there.
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Post by Wisconsin on Dec 17, 2020 17:44:12 GMT
Presumably it’s a record in terms of area?
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Post by cj on Dec 17, 2020 19:21:24 GMT
Baron Lebedev (Baron Lebedev of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation) has just been introduced. Nothing says more about standing up for British democracy than appointing a Russian oligarch to the House of Lords. Yes, but, son of an oligarch, so hereditary tradition: tick
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 17:26:41 GMT
Baron Lebedev (Baron Lebedev of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation) has just been introduced. Nothing says more about standing up for British democracy than appointing a Russian oligarch to the House of Lords. Anti-immigrant prejudices duly noted Although it should be remembered that he's lived here since he was a kid. It's curious that he's chosen Siberia as I think he and his family are more of Moscow origin. A Baron of Moscow in the House of Lords would've been something. Perhaps his Russian side thought that a little too much to claim. Edit: Ah, this article suggests he wanted to use Moscow, but someone in Russia didn't like that idea. www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/11/24/yevgeny-lebedev-named-baron-of-hampton-and-siberia-in-britain-a72129
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Post by markgoodair on Dec 18, 2020 18:44:50 GMT
Nothing says more about standing up for British democracy than appointing a Russian oligarch to the House of Lords. Anti-immigrant prejudices duly noted Although it should be remembered that he's lived here since he was a kid. It's curious that he's chosen Siberia as I think he and his family are more of Moscow origin. A Baron of Moscow in the House of Lords would've been something. Perhaps his Russian side thought that a little too much to claim. Edit: Ah, this article suggests he wanted to use Moscow, but someone in Russia didn't like that idea. www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/11/24/yevgeny-lebedev-named-baron-of-hampton-and-siberia-in-britain-a72129Nothing to do with being anti immigrant and everything to do with being anti corruption.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 19:17:13 GMT
Anti-immigrant prejudices duly noted Although it should be remembered that he's lived here since he was a kid. It's curious that he's chosen Siberia as I think he and his family are more of Moscow origin. A Baron of Moscow in the House of Lords would've been something. Perhaps his Russian side thought that a little too much to claim. Edit: Ah, this article suggests he wanted to use Moscow, but someone in Russia didn't like that idea. www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/11/24/yevgeny-lebedev-named-baron-of-hampton-and-siberia-in-britain-a72129Nothing to do with being anti immigrant and everything to do with being anti corruption. No I wasn’t seriously accusing you of that motive, Mark.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 20, 2020 23:24:39 GMT
Baron Lebedev (Baron Lebedev of Hampton in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames and of Siberia in the Russian Federation) has just been introduced. A modest territorial designation there. But which is the most "modest" - Siberia or the London Borough of Richmond, which it has been claimed has more members of the Lords than the whole of the North of England.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 20, 2020 23:27:09 GMT
All I can say about the Noble Lord, Lord Lebedev, as he will now have to be called, is that he looks the part. That is to say Russian oligarch.
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Post by Wisconsin on Dec 20, 2020 23:52:26 GMT
I’m surprised Lord Lebedev was okay with losing non-domicile status for tax purposes.
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 21, 2020 0:03:32 GMT
A modest territorial designation there. But which is the most "modest" - Siberia or the London Borough of Richmond, which it has been claimed has more members of the Lords than the whole of the North of England. Does this include Lady Hale? Because the Richmond in her title is the one in Yorkshire.
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 21, 2020 0:18:30 GMT
But which is the most "modest" - Siberia or the London Borough of Richmond, which it has been claimed has more members of the Lords than the whole of the North of England. Does this include Lady Hale? Because the Richmond in her title is the one in Yorkshire. As is (probably obviously) Lord Hague of Richmond.
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 21, 2020 10:20:35 GMT
All I can say about the Noble Lord, Lord Lebedev, as he will now have to be called, is that he looks the part. That is to say Russian oligarch. He will fit in well as the HOL is now full of riff-raff!
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