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Post by greenhert on Nov 11, 2020 20:00:23 GMT
Has the Commons accepted the Lords amendment on the range being 7.5% instead of 5%? No; they voted that amendment (amendment 7) down by a vote of 345-266.
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Post by robert1 on Nov 16, 2020 15:49:02 GMT
I posted previously on the 2019 electorates thread that I expected the March 2nd 2020 data would probably be available by the end October. Obviously it isn't. I have therefore put down a written question asking when ONS will publish the data.
The ONS has confirmed that it will publish the relevant constituency electorate data re March 2nd 2020 on January 5th 2021.
I had hoped publication would come before Decmber 25th. I'm therefore really disappointed that the ONS has denied you all the pleasure of getting away from the relatives over Christmas and the New Year (however many are allowed at that point) to work on your plans for...........
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Post by Wisconsin on Nov 16, 2020 16:20:41 GMT
Lords Amendment 7 Because the Commons consider that the existing law on this matter is sufficient to ensure equal parliamentary constituency boundaries. This one’s an oddly worded reason. The Lords weren’t suggesting that amendment (to change 5% to 7.5%) was needed to ensure equal boundaries [sic].
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Post by carolus on Nov 16, 2020 21:10:09 GMT
Lords Amendment 7 Because the Commons consider that the existing law on this matter is sufficient to ensure equal parliamentary constituency boundaries. This one’s an oddly worded reason. The Lords weren’t suggesting that amendment (to change 5% to 7.5%) was needed to ensure equal boundaries [sic]. A confusion between necessary conditions and sufficient conditions?
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Post by ilerda on Nov 16, 2020 21:26:15 GMT
A deliberate attempt to conflate the issues I suspect, and therefore avoid having to give a real explanation.
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Post by greenhert on Nov 18, 2020 15:47:18 GMT
"Ping pong" in the House of Lords regarding the Parliamentary Constituencies Bill is set for 26th November, just eight days from now. Royal Assent can therefore be expected by the end of this month.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 18, 2020 22:27:39 GMT
"Ping pong" in the House of Lords regarding the Parliamentary Constituencies Bill is set for 26th November, just eight days from now. Royal Assent can therefore be expected by the end of this month. Does this mean that you think their Lordships will agree to the Common's reasons for disagreeing with their Lordships? That's not the impression I got from reading Hansard when their Lordships sent it back to the Commons last time.
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Post by greenhert on Nov 19, 2020 0:57:04 GMT
"Ping pong" in the House of Lords regarding the Parliamentary Constituencies Bill is set for 26th November, just eight days from now. Royal Assent can therefore be expected by the end of this month. Does this mean that you think their Lordships will agree to the Common's reasons for disagreeing with their Lordships? That's not the impression I got from reading Hansard when their Lordships sent it back to the Commons last time. Remember that the House of Lords cannot delay the Bill beyond 2021 due to the provisions of the Parliament Act 1949. They are unlikely to get anywhere by delaying it given how high the current Conservative majority is.
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Post by carolus on Nov 19, 2020 3:47:07 GMT
Does this mean that you think their Lordships will agree to the Common's reasons for disagreeing with their Lordships? That's not the impression I got from reading Hansard when their Lordships sent it back to the Commons last time. Remember that the House of Lords cannot delay the Bill beyond 2021 due to the provisions of the Parliament Act 1949. They are unlikely to get anywhere by delaying it given how high the current Conservative majority is. But presumably delaying the start of the review by 6-8 months might disrupt the timetable of the review - they're currently obliged to report by July 2023, which would mean losing 20% of the review time. Alternatively further modifying the end date itself has consequences - at some point it would presumably bring into question whether there woild be enough time for implementation before the 2024 election, and certainly would disrupt a hypothetical early GE. Maybe it is the case the BC would simply "make do" and manage the review on a shortened timescale, but previous reviews seem to have needed the approximately 2.5 years.
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 19, 2020 8:32:00 GMT
I understand the BC is meeting with representatives of political parties some time in November - would this be to explain how they plan to proceed presuming the legislation has or is about to be, passed
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Post by mondialito on Nov 19, 2020 20:48:21 GMT
Electoral Calculus have developed proposed boundaries in line with the new act using an algorithm. The algorithm uses follows the following rules:
Unfortunately, the site doesn't allow you to move across the map easily, but I took a quick look at London and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of absolute horror shows (although adding Shoreditch to Cities of London and Westminster is an eyebrow-raiser). It will be interesting to see what the actual boundaries would look like in comparison.
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 19, 2020 22:57:10 GMT
that looks interesting. I guess one could do worse than leave it up to a computer and cut all the rest of teh crap
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Post by robert1 on Nov 20, 2020 3:46:15 GMT
Suggest Mondialito looks at Wales, the Marches etc. Total horror show
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Post by minionofmidas on Nov 20, 2020 4:21:40 GMT
Electoral Calculus have developed proposed boundaries in line with the new act using an algorithm. The algorithm uses follows the following rules:
Unfortunately, the site doesn't allow you to move across the map easily, but I took a quick look at London and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of absolute horror shows (although adding Shoreditch to Cities of London and Westminster is an eyebrow-raiser). It will be interesting to see what the actual boundaries would look like in comparison.
see the Dec 19 Electorates thread, sep 27th-29th, for a fuller discussion
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Post by mondialito on Nov 20, 2020 13:26:23 GMT
Electoral Calculus have developed proposed boundaries in line with the new act using an algorithm. The algorithm uses follows the following rules:
Unfortunately, the site doesn't allow you to move across the map easily, but I took a quick look at London and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of absolute horror shows (although adding Shoreditch to Cities of London and Westminster is an eyebrow-raiser). It will be interesting to see what the actual boundaries would look like in comparison.
see the Dec 19 Electorates thread, sep 27th-29th, for a fuller discussion Whoops! I should frequent the psephology threads more often.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 26, 2020 15:17:06 GMT
Lords just accepted all the Commons amendments to the Parliamentary Constituencies Bill, bar the last one - in which Lord Tyler has forced a division on requiring the government to come up with proposals for improving electoral register accuracy.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 26, 2020 15:23:27 GMT
Contents 129 Not Contents 276 so the amendment is not agreed to; both Houses have now agreed and the Bill goes for Royal Assent.
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Post by Wisconsin on Nov 27, 2020 0:33:43 GMT
Boooo
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Post by ilerda on Nov 27, 2020 10:16:31 GMT
There was never going to be any outcome other than this.
The Government were never going to suddenly turn round and accept 7.5% because there was absolutely no reason for them to politically.
The Lords were never going to put up too much of a fight because it’s not proper for the unelected chamber to be seen to be interfering in election process for the elected chamber.
It’s not really an issue that anyone other than a few of us nerds actually care that much about.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 27, 2020 10:38:59 GMT
When Royal Assent is granted, will the law (as it will then be) be formally published (or it is the same as the bill when it was first announced)?
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