Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Aug 4, 2020 11:13:05 GMT
If I recall correctly from the public bill committee, there was some discussion about the fact that various valleys in the south would need to be split. I'd assume the purpose of this amendment was to "fix" that. When you look on the maps you see that some valley communities are very close to each other - in adjacent valleys - but little or no communication between them, with small mountain roads at best, and no natural linkage. So rather than cross valley seats its better to follow the valley south, but it becomes increasingly difficult to stick to a rigid adherence to a 5% variance in electorate. It's difficult but not impossible. And there are tricky areas elsewhere in the UK too. I don't think a special provision for the Valleys is appropriate. It'd be better if there was a general provision in the law that, say, a 6% variance is allowed if there are special geographical considerations.
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Post by Adrian on Aug 4, 2020 11:30:11 GMT
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 4, 2020 13:47:28 GMT
When you look on the maps you see that some valley communities are very close to each other - in adjacent valleys - but little or no communication between them, with small mountain roads at best, and no natural linkage. So rather than cross valley seats its better to follow the valley south, but it becomes increasingly difficult to stick to a rigid adherence to a 5% variance in electorate. It's difficult but not impossible. And there are tricky areas elsewhere in the UK too. I don't think a special provision for the Valleys is appropriate. It'd be better if there was a general provision in the law that, say, a 6% variance is allowed if there are special geographical considerations. Well, quite. It's not like the valleys are anything like New Guinea, where the peoples of neighbouring valleys don't even speak the same language ... oh, hang on ...
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Aug 4, 2020 19:01:17 GMT
When you look on the maps you see that some valley communities are very close to each other - in adjacent valleys - but little or no communication between them, with small mountain roads at best, and no natural linkage. So rather than cross valley seats its better to follow the valley south, but it becomes increasingly difficult to stick to a rigid adherence to a 5% variance in electorate. It's difficult but not impossible. And there are tricky areas elsewhere in the UK too. I don't think a special provision for the Valleys is appropriate. It'd be better if there was a general provision in the law that, say, a 6% variance is allowed if there are special geographical considerations. I wouldn't be too bothered about strict contiguity in the Valleys. Assorted depressed ex-coal-mining villages from which one can get a bus to the bustling metrop that is Pontypridd form a certain sort of community of interest.
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Post by hullenedge on Aug 14, 2020 11:11:35 GMT
Wait for the Isle of Ely and Isle of Thanet to make their case. What about the Isle of Dogs? It even went as far as declaring UDI in 1970! We've just missed the 50th anniversary:- The locals appear to be displeased by UDI. A president and two(!) prime ministers 'stormed' County Hall on March 6th to raise their flag and demand resources for this deprived area. Tower Hamlets agreed to some of the demands.
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Post by Wisconsin on Sept 7, 2020 13:26:45 GMT
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Post by Wisconsin on Sept 9, 2020 16:35:50 GMT
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 9, 2020 17:14:43 GMT
Amendment 12 is laughably self-serving, even for the Cwmgiedd village idiot. Amendment 13 is interesting. 800 MPs?! That's a fun one to play with in Boundary Assistant. Amendment 14 is another stunning piece of self-servingness, this time from two celebrated old Welsh waxworks, someone I've never heard of, and the former chairman of the Welsh Development Agency. Amendments 15-17 are all variants on the electoral range being impractically small. Amendment 18 is sheer mischief. Amendment 19 is mad. Ward splits all round! Amendment 20 is very badly written. It would cause no end of problems for the Isles of Scilly, Plymouth, and Torbay. Amendment 21 is another instance of the Welsh self-interest brigade trying it on. This time it's from the patron of the Glasbury Arts Festival. For those who don't know, Glasbury is a village on the River Wye, straddling the border of Brecknockshire and Radnorshire.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 9, 2020 18:18:13 GMT
Amendment 12 is laughably self-serving, even for the Cwmgiedd village idiot. Amendment 13 is interesting. 800 MPs?! That's a fun one to play with in Boundary Assistant. Amendment 14 is another stunning piece of self-servingness, this time from two celebrated old Welsh waxworks, someone I've never heard of, and the former chairman of the Welsh Development Agency. Amendments 15-17 are all variants on the electoral range being impractically small. Amendment 18 is sheer mischief. Amendment 19 is mad. Ward splits all round! Amendment 20 is very badly written. It would cause no end of problems for the Isles of Scilly, Plymouth, and Torbay. Amendment 21 is another instance of the Welsh self-interest brigade trying it on. This time it's from the patron of the Glasbury Arts Festival. For those who don't know, Glasbury is a village on the River Wye, straddling the border of Brecknockshire and Radnorshire. Also Montgomeryshire should be protected if Brecon & Radnorshire is to be protected. Amendment 22 would not be enough to solve the issues in Powys; both of Powys' constituencies are more than 15% undersized and they only connect westwards within Wales for the most part. Amendment 23 is basically just to protect Scottish interests and a supposed entitlement to a lower electoral quota than usual, which is only useful in the rural areas of Scotland (Highlands and Borders in particular). As for amendment 24, why not simply introduce automatic electoral registration?
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 9, 2020 20:11:37 GMT
As for amendment 24, why not simply introduce automatic electoral registration? How would the electorate authorities automatically register you? They don't know you exist until you yourself inform them that you exist. Automatic *re*-registration - that would work, but not automatic *re*gistration.
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 10, 2020 13:05:29 GMT
As for amendment 24, why not simply introduce automatic electoral registration? How would the electorate authorities automatically register you? They don't know you exist until you yourself inform them that you exist. Automatic *re*-registration - that would work, but not automatic *re*gistration. Presumably this would take the form of other agencies and organisations having to inform the relevant electoral services departments any time you notify them of a change of address. Any such rule would massively increase their workload, since they would have to process multiple notifications for the same individual (often including different ways of writing the address). And, as you note, there is no way it's going to catch everyone.
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Post by poi on Sept 13, 2020 22:29:00 GMT
Registration from birth, or from issue of NI number.
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Post by carolus on Oct 8, 2020 19:51:23 GMT
The Lords have begun their report stage. So far the bill has undergone five amendments (against the Conservatives' wishes). Two of them seem to move the cycle to ten years instead of eight years, one to add a new constitution for the Boundary Comission, one to extend the tolerance to 7.5%, and one to make DWP do some work towards ensuring people get registered to vote.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 8, 2020 21:35:48 GMT
The Lords have begun their report stage. So far the bill has undergone five amendments (against the Conservatives' wishes). Two of them seem to move the cycle to ten years instead of eight years, one to add a new constitution for the Boundary Comission, one to extend the tolerance to 7.5%, and one to make DWP do some work towards ensuring people get registered to vote. Could that one get Government support I wonder?
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Post by greenhert on Oct 8, 2020 21:55:37 GMT
The Lords have begun their report stage. So far the bill has undergone five amendments (against the Conservatives' wishes). Two of them seem to move the cycle to ten years instead of eight years, one to add a new constitution for the Boundary Commission, one to extend the tolerance to 7.5%, and one to make DWP do some work towards ensuring people get registered to vote. The 7.5% tolerance is particularly important for practical reasons and to avoid unnecessary ward splitting. As for getting more people registered to vote, automatic voter registration is better.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 8, 2020 21:57:23 GMT
The Lords have begun their report stage. So far the bill has undergone five amendments (against the Conservatives' wishes). Two of them seem to move the cycle to ten years instead of eight years, one to add a new constitution for the Boundary Commission, one to extend the tolerance to 7.5%, and one to make DWP do some work towards ensuring people get registered to vote. The 7.5% tolerance is particularly important for practical reasons and to avoid unnecessary ward splitting. As for getting more people registered to vote, automatic voter registration is better. Automatically register who? and how?
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 9, 2020 3:18:42 GMT
The Lords have begun their report stage. So far the bill has undergone five amendments (against the Conservatives' wishes). Two of them seem to move the cycle to ten years instead of eight years, one to add a new constitution for the Boundary Commission, one to extend the tolerance to 7.5%, and one to make DWP do some work towards ensuring people get registered to vote. The 7.5% tolerance is particularly important for practical reasons and to avoid unnecessary ward splitting. As for getting more people registered to vote, automatic voter registration is better. How do you do automatic voter registration? The authorities don't know you exist until you yourself come forward and tell them you exist.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 9, 2020 7:24:11 GMT
The 7.5% tolerance is particularly important for practical reasons and to avoid unnecessary ward splitting. As for getting more people registered to vote, automatic voter registration is better. How do you do automatic voter registration? The authorities don't know you exist until you yourself come forward and tell them you exist. Ah yes, I recall vividly the day I rang up the DWP to request a National Insurance number when I was 15. Despite the registration of my birth, being noted on the census, being enrolled in County Council-run infant, junior and secondary schools and having frequently accessed public health services over the past decade and a half, up to that point the state had no record of my existence. Except of course, that phone call never happened, because it didn't need to as an NI card simply arrived in the post unsolicited. If other countries can manage to register voters automatically, there's no good reason we can't do so.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 9, 2020 8:02:16 GMT
How do you do automatic voter registration? The authorities don't know you exist until you yourself come forward and tell them you exist. Ah yes, I recall vividly the day I rang up the DWP to request a National Insurance number when I was 15. Despite the registration of my birth, being noted on the census, being enrolled in County Council-run infant, junior and secondary schools and having frequently accessed public health services over the past decade and a half, up to that point the state had no record of my existence. Except of course, that phone call never happened, because it didn't need to as an NI card simply arrived in the post unsolicited. If other countries can manage to register voters automatically, there's no good reason we can't do so. Do these other countries have national ID cards?
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Post by Foggy on Oct 9, 2020 8:28:25 GMT
Ah yes, I recall vividly the day I rang up the DWP to request a National Insurance number when I was 15. Despite the registration of my birth, being noted on the census, being enrolled in County Council-run infant, junior and secondary schools and having frequently accessed public health services over the past decade and a half, up to that point the state had no record of my existence. Except of course, that phone call never happened, because it didn't need to as an NI card simply arrived in the post unsolicited. If other countries can manage to register voters automatically, there's no good reason we can't do so. Do these other countries have national ID cards? I believe they do, in general. But the fact that those of us of a certain vintage were all sent a National Insurance card as teenagers without having to request one shows that an automatic voter registration system must be possible if the will is there to implement one.
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