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Post by Admin Twaddleford on Jan 1, 2020 14:53:40 GMT
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Current composition: Lab 36, Con 20, LD 3, Grn 3, Oth 1
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Post by owainsutton on Jan 3, 2020 13:01:43 GMT
Clarification on the 'other: Ray Bowker resigned the Lib Dem whip, but remains an independent Lib Dem. His seat in Village is up this time.
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 4, 2020 11:09:47 GMT
Unexpected development: the SDP are planning on standing some candidates.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 4, 2020 11:33:40 GMT
Blimey, you could have Continuity SDP and Continuity Liberals in nearby wards.
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Post by David Boothroyd on Mar 4, 2020 11:34:50 GMT
I know! They should form some sort of electoral pact. Could call it an 'Alliance'.
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 4, 2020 11:45:07 GMT
I know! They should form some sort of electoral pact. Could call it an 'Alliance'.  Between the two of them, maybe they'll finally be able to explain what "a liberal Brexit" was supposed to look like. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 4, 2020 11:51:42 GMT
I know! They should form some sort of electoral pact. Could call it an 'Alliance'. The best bit is, they've changed since the Eighties. And given what was said here the other week, John Cleese has changed to meet them. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 4, 2020 15:37:17 GMT
I know! They should form some sort of electoral pact. Could call it an 'Alliance'. The best bit is, they've changed since the Eighties. And given what was said here the other week, John Cleese has changed to meet them. They may have changed, their logo hasn't though... |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Mar 4, 2020 16:06:28 GMT
The best bit is, they've changed since the Eighties. And given what was said here the other week, John Cleese has changed to meet them. They may have changed, their logo hasn't though... The D Owen breakaway party added a tick to the original logo. That's gone from the current version, which now resembles the original, though the colours may have been tweaked slightly. |
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 4, 2020 17:07:37 GMT
The SDP have a "Fighting for Brexit" emblem registered, which is far more up-to-date than the Liberals' "Stuff the Euro" one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 17:43:07 GMT
They may have changed, their logo hasn't though... The D Owen breakaway party added a tick to the original logo. That's gone from the current version, which now resembles the original, though the colours may have been tweaked slightly. twitter official |
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 5, 2020 19:05:24 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised to see Laura Evans parachuting into Bowdon.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2020 19:59:19 GMT
Good bloke is Sean Anstee. Served Trafford and the Conservatives well.
Quite impressive for a lad from Partington who left school at 16 to be running the council by 30.
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Post by atraffordlibdem on Apr 13, 2020 17:44:20 GMT
I saw a neighbour who is a Labour member and drinks with Western this morning. Apparently he is sorry to see Sean go as 'more or less the only one left who knows what they are doing' - also thinks that the boundary changes should favour Labour heavily given the southern three wards are undersized.
On a separate note, I think the delay will be very good for Labour with Starmer having time to bed in, he feels like a good fit for Trafford.
Lastly interested in views on 2021 Village Ward - with Ray Bowker sadly passed away.
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Post by owainsutton on Apr 13, 2020 18:44:58 GMT
I saw a neighbour who is a Labour member and drinks with Western this morning. Apparently he is sorry to see Sean go as 'more or less the only one left who knows what they are doing' - also thinks that the boundary changes should favour Labour heavily given the southern three wards are undersized. On a separate note, I think the delay will be very good for Labour with Starmer having time to bed in, he feels like a good fit for Trafford. Lastly interested in views on 2021 Village Ward - with Ray Bowker sadly passed away. Have to agree re. Sean, for the reason given. I've heard some wacky comments from Labour about the boundaries. So much of it comes down to the decision on the number of wards, I've heard various predictions but am going for 20 myself, and to a lesser extent what happens to Bucklow St Martins which is never going to be convenient for incorporating into a thirds system. Village.....never an especially Tory ward, Laura Evans had a Marmite character, but was certainly capable of mobilising the troops when they were needed. Ray had an enormous personal recognition and vote for good reason. Labour spent a lot of time there during GE2019, which made me wonder if they were planning to target it. The remaining Lib Dem certainly knows what he's doing, though, so it's impossible to call. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 14, 2020 12:01:06 GMT
The Trafford wards have always been a bit odd. The Stretford and Old Trafford wards were undersized for years, now it is the other way round.
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Post by atraffordlibdem on Apr 14, 2020 12:09:02 GMT
If I was Labour I'd want a ward reduction given all of the growth has been in the north of the borough of late, it would likely be one less ward in Altrincham and Sale West working on your 20 theory. Bung a bit of Bowdon (Bradgate Road area) into Altrincham, put the Sale bit of Village into Sale East where it should be and shake that around through the other wards, and you can start to see how it's possible.
For the Timperley Lib Dems, I think the most likely bit of Broadheath to be moved is the bit around the Moss Trooper moving into Timperley which wouldn't be bad for us at all - can't imagine it's great for the Tories. Don't know Julian like I know Jane only met him a couple of times but he's never going to hold Ray's grip in the Ward. If I was Labour I'd blitz the Ward now given that it going TOry at present wouldn't hurt their overall majority so it won't matter to them if the Lib Dems lose it for a couple of years pending Labour taking it in the long term. I've always felt it should be a Labour ward overall. When I sampled for the Lib Dems in 2005 General it was absurd how well Labour did in Village. I guess given they are now polling 20k it must still be reasonable there for them in the General.
Bucklow is interesting because there's huge growth projected - not just the GMSF stuff either. I've just had a look at the Planning page and there's well over 1000 units either in or already with permission coming through in Partington and Carrington. That's the best part of 2000 electors so depending on what from the GMSF is included it's not impossible that you would have enough for a ward on its own there without the Sale bit.
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 14, 2020 14:00:17 GMT
It would probably cause a lot of chaos. From Alty or Navigation Road, you'd have to run a line over the A56 which would be ill-advised, and probably knock a fair few houses down, before then trying to run it through the side of the floodplain. gwynthegriff will know better than be but I think the old link heading east was where the retail park at Broadheath is now, as part of the old viaduct is still there. Through Urmston, probably impossible- the motorway is raised so it can't go at ground level, nor over the top, and there just isn't space. I think a new Partington station, and sorting the junction at Glazebrook (which isn't a junction but once was) might be the only game in town. That would make more sense, thinking about it. If desired, there should even be space to squeeze in a Cadishead station where the line would meet Liverpool Road (though it would be rather close to Irlam station and presumably trains to Partington would stop at both). There might be some political motivation to such a move too - if some stopping services went to Partington rather than Liverpool, they would remain within the Greater Manchester boundary throughout their journey. I could imagine TfGM preferring that arrangement to one where all services on the line go far beyond their remit. Indeed Irlam seems to be the last GM station anyway so they wouldn't even need to worry about reduced service at Glazebrook or beyond. does this discussion merit transfer to a railway thread? it seems to have legs, or rather wheels. |
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Post by atraffordlibdem on Apr 14, 2020 14:51:43 GMT
The Trafford wards have always been a bit odd. The Stretford and Old Trafford wards were undersized for years, now it is the other way round. Yes - trouble for the Tories is Bucklow with projected growth aside, the southern belt of Hale x 2 and Bowdon are the smallest wards now all in a neat row for dealing with. |
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Post by owainsutton on Apr 14, 2020 16:44:31 GMT
The Trafford wards have always been a bit odd. The Stretford and Old Trafford wards were undersized for years, now it is the other way round. Yes - trouble for the Tories is Bucklow with projected growth aside, the southern belt of Hale x 2 and Bowdon are the smallest wards now all in a neat row for dealing with. I've seen the numbers but can't remember them: I thought that they were undersized but only marginally. Like, a few streets moved here and there would rebalance it. The bigger threat to the Tories is a lack of obvious up-and-coming leaders and motivators. |
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