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Post by neilm on Oct 3, 2020 8:46:39 GMT
There's loads of spare brownfield in Belle Vue for starters. And they want to build up/deport the population of Collyhurst now, as they did Ancoats. It is a fair question, unrepentantfool. I sense it is because as neilm says- the city centre stuff is all being sold to foreign investors and will sit empty. I suppose I never think of Belle Vue as being close to town. The cinema there is closing as well, now. The Collyhurst situation needs knocking on the head. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 3, 2020 10:33:34 GMT
There's loads of spare brownfield in Belle Vue for starters. And they want to build up/deport the population of Collyhurst now, as they did Ancoats. It is a fair question, unrepentantfool. I sense it is because as neilm says- the city centre stuff is all being sold to foreign investors and will sit empty. I suppose I never think of Belle Vue as being close to town. The cinema there is closing as well, now. The Collyhurst situation needs knocking on the head. They were talking about it as if the population needs to be replaced. Which is exactly what they did with the Cardroom estate. "Progress", apparently. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2020 21:03:22 GMT
I have a print of Bernard McMullen's painting of Belle Vue in the 1950/60s on the wall next to my desk. I used to love going to the fair and zoo there, riding on the Scenic Railway and the Bobs; Speedway was next door and the wrestling was there. My sisters had summer jobs there.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 3, 2020 21:20:07 GMT
I have a print of Bernard McMullen's painting of Belle Vue in the 1950/60s on the wall next to my desk. I used to love going to the fair and zoo there, riding on the Scenic Railway and the Bobs; Speedway was next door and the wrestling was there. My sisters had summer jobs there. I was doing some research on the zoo a few years ago and learnt there was some material held at Manchester Central Library (the best stuff is at Chetham's Library). So I toddled along to the Local Studies Desk and said "I believe you have some material on Belle Vue?" And the Local Studies Librarian's response was: "Sorry. What's Belle Vue ?"  |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2020 21:21:12 GMT
I have a print of Bernard McMullen's painting of Belle Vue in the 1950/60s on the wall next to my desk. I used to love going to the fair and zoo there, riding on the Scenic Railway and the Bobs; Speedway was next door and the wrestling was there. My sisters had summer jobs there. I was doing some research on the zoo a few years ago and learnt there was some material held at Manchester Central Library (the best stuff is at Chetham's Library). So I toddled along to the Local Studies Desk and said "I believe you have some material on Belle Vue?" And the Local Studies Librarian's response was: "Sorry. What's Belle Vue ?" Flaming philistines. |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 3, 2020 21:28:20 GMT
If Greater Manchester is so deeply in need of housing, why doesn't it just start building council housing on derelict ex industrial sites close to Manchester city centre, instead of letting developers snap the sites up to convert into overpriced "luxury" flats? My commute is now through GM and I see plenty of derelict sites on the journey. A fair question: the Northern Gateway, especially, is a load of crap that isn't needed (not to mention the loan the council gave a Chinese firm to buy land from, er, the council. Lunacy). And tiny 'executive homes' for 375k in Miles Platting! Which sites are you specifically thinking of, and how close are we talking? There's the old bus depot on Bowes Street that's now flats/sheltered housing (still being finished) but where else? I think Devil Wincarnate covered it mostly, there seems to be a lot of derelict land close to Ardwick station and a few sites out near Monsall. It also occurred to me that there is a ridiculous amounts of surface parking lots in Manchester city centre. They could build a multistorey on a fraction of the land and build a small estate on the rest. |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 3, 2020 21:29:39 GMT
I suppose I never think of Belle Vue as being close to town. The cinema there is closing as well, now. The Collyhurst situation needs knocking on the head. They were talking about it as if the population needs to be replaced. Which is exactly what they did with the Cardroom estate. "Progress", apparently. Or, as normal people call it, "social cleansing". |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 3, 2020 21:34:59 GMT
I have a print of Bernard McMullen's painting of Belle Vue in the 1950/60s on the wall next to my desk. I used to love going to the fair and zoo there, riding on the Scenic Railway and the Bobs; Speedway was next door and the wrestling was there. My sisters had summer jobs there. If I remember from the SABRE Wiki, everything in the area was demolished in preparation for a motorway to Sheffield. Such a waste, but it happened everywhere. 2 whole streets of terraced houses disappeared with the building of the IDR in Reading. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 3, 2020 21:41:00 GMT
I have a print of Bernard McMullen's painting of Belle Vue in the 1950/60s on the wall next to my desk. I used to love going to the fair and zoo there, riding on the Scenic Railway and the Bobs; Speedway was next door and the wrestling was there. My sisters had summer jobs there. Enjoy! (there is a fair bit of Belle Vue footage on youtube)
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 3, 2020 21:56:05 GMT
I was doing some research on the zoo a few years ago and learnt there was some material held at Manchester Central Library (the best stuff is at Chetham's Library). So I toddled along to the Local Studies Desk and said "I believe you have some material on Belle Vue?" And the Local Studies Librarian's response was: "Sorry. What's Belle Vue ?" Flaming philistines. It would be fair to say I was more than a little gobsmacked ! |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 3, 2020 21:58:39 GMT
It would be fair to say I was more than a little gobsmacked ! Somebody's gob would've been smacked. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 3, 2020 22:51:06 GMT
A fair question: the Northern Gateway, especially, is a load of crap that isn't needed (not to mention the loan the council gave a Chinese firm to buy land from, er, the council. Lunacy). And tiny 'executive homes' for 375k in Miles Platting! Which sites are you specifically thinking of, and how close are we talking? There's the old bus depot on Bowes Street that's now flats/sheltered housing (still being finished) but where else? I think Devil Wincarnate covered it mostly, there seems to be a lot of derelict land close to Ardwick station and a few sites out near Monsall. It also occurred to me that there is a ridiculous amounts of surface parking lots in Manchester city centre. They could build a multistorey on a fraction of the land and build a small estate on the rest. Supposedly, the council are considering making City Retail Park in Ancoats into a multistorey (or a green space) because the council wants fewer people driving into town as part of Chairman Leese's war on the motorist. This might involve forcing them to park in the satellite wards. It would be an issue building another multistorey in the centre because of air quality, it would attract traffic and so on. This might be of interest to you: m.facebook.com/320345431705549/posts/893689731037780/ |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 3, 2020 23:45:24 GMT
I think Devil Wincarnate covered it mostly, there seems to be a lot of derelict land close to Ardwick station and a few sites out near Monsall. It also occurred to me that there is a ridiculous amounts of surface parking lots in Manchester city centre. They could build a multistorey on a fraction of the land and build a small estate on the rest. Supposedly, the council are considering making City Retail Park in Ancoats into a multistorey (or a green space) because the council wants fewer people driving into town as part of Chairman Leese's war on the motorist. This might involve forcing them to park in the satellite wards. It would be an issue building another multistorey in the centre because of air quality, it would attract traffic and so on. This might be of interest to you: m.facebook.com/320345431705549/posts/893689731037780/ Even as an ex Labour member , I would usually describe most Labour councillors in established administrations as total jobsworths when it comes to development. I saw the BBC documentary on Manchester and they seemed to just roll over and accept the social cleansing of the residents they represent, which disgusts me. It's not quite as bad in Reading, no local residents have been actually forced out, but they just wave through development after development of luxury flats for ex-Londoner commuters which no Redingensian could ever afford on a normal wage. These people have the cheek to call themselves socialists when they ultimately are serving the rich and powerful by allowing developers effectively to expel the residents of a neighbourhood as and when they please. On the multistorey, I can't see how it would attract traffic if the multistorey had the same number of spaces, they could maybe add a few floors to provide a residents parking area for the new adjacent social housing estate that should be built on the remaining land, but I'm not holding my breath... The development on that car park is a really good idea, except the loss of car parking spaces. I reckon they should consolidate the car parking spaces into 2 or 3 large new multistoreys on the nearest existing sites to ensure that people continue to have access when they need it and movement within the inner ring road is limited. I know they want to limit driving and increase air quality in the city centre, but you could do this by making most streets part of an access based on proven need or disability e.g trade requirements or mobility issues. Looking at the map, I'd exempt the Salford side from the restrictions, but rebuild the Manchester Arena, Arndale and Manchester Central Car Parks as large multistoreys and then build small social housing estates on the rest. |
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Post by owainsutton on Oct 4, 2020 11:17:38 GMT
I have a print of Bernard McMullen's painting of Belle Vue in the 1950/60s on the wall next to my desk. I used to love going to the fair and zoo there, riding on the Scenic Railway and the Bobs; Speedway was next door and the wrestling was there. My sisters had summer jobs there. If I remember from the SABRE Wiki, everything in the area was demolished in preparation for a motorway to Sheffield. Such a waste, but it happened everywhere. 2 whole streets of terraced houses disappeared with the building of the IDR in Reading. Keep an eye out when on a train to/from Manchester Piccadilly. The huge platform at Longsight station, built to cater for excursion trains to the zoo, is still intact in substantial parts among the depot now on the site. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 4, 2020 11:59:55 GMT
If I remember from the SABRE Wiki, everything in the area was demolished in preparation for a motorway to Sheffield. Such a waste, but it happened everywhere. 2 whole streets of terraced houses disappeared with the building of the IDR in Reading. Keep an eye out when on a train to/from Manchester Piccadilly. The huge platform at Longsight station, built to cater for excursion trains to the zoo, is still intact in substantial parts among the depot now on the site. But not to be confused with the tiny platform for the staff trains that once ran, which - I believe - also still exist. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 4, 2020 15:13:37 GMT
Keep an eye out when on a train to/from Manchester Piccadilly. The huge platform at Longsight station, built to cater for excursion trains to the zoo, is still intact in substantial parts among the depot now on the site. But not to be confused with the tiny platform for the staff trains that once ran, which - I believe - also still exist. To take staff home or make sure they were where they needed to be start a shift? |
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Post by owainsutton on Oct 4, 2020 15:41:42 GMT
But not to be confused with the tiny platform for the staff trains that once ran, which - I believe - also still exist. To take staff home or make sure they were where they needed to be start a shift? By the looks of it, Northern's empty-carriage services early and late on Sundays, calling at Longsight Down Goods Loop, seem like they'd be for staff getting to/from Piccadilly and Oxford Road. www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C31398/2020-10-04/detailedwww.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C30222/2020-10-04/detailed(I'm now heading over to the RailUK forums to talk about Tameside local elections.) |
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 4, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
Supposedly, the council are considering making City Retail Park in Ancoats into a multistorey (or a green space) because the council wants fewer people driving into town as part of Chairman Leese's war on the motorist. This might involve forcing them to park in the satellite wards. It would be an issue building another multistorey in the centre because of air quality, it would attract traffic and so on. This might be of interest to you: m.facebook.com/320345431705549/posts/893689731037780/ Even as an ex Labour member , I would usually describe most Labour councillors in established administrations as total jobsworths when it comes to development. I saw the BBC documentary on Manchester and they seemed to just roll over and accept the social cleansing of the residents they represent, which disgusts me. It's not quite as bad in Reading, no local residents have been actually forced out, but they just wave through development after development of luxury flats for ex-Londoner commuters which no Redingensian could ever afford on a normal wage. These people have the cheek to call themselves socialists when they ultimately are serving the rich and powerful by allowing developers effectively to expel the residents of a neighbourhood as and when they please. On the multistorey, I can't see how it would attract traffic if the multistorey had the same number of spaces, they could maybe add a few floors to provide a residents parking area for the new adjacent social housing estate that should be built on the remaining land, but I'm not holding my breath... The development on that car park is a really good idea, except the loss of car parking spaces. I reckon they should consolidate the car parking spaces into 2 or 3 large new multistoreys on the nearest existing sites to ensure that people continue to have access when they need it and movement within the inner ring road is limited. I know they want to limit driving and increase air quality in the city centre, but you could do this by making most streets part of an access based on proven need or disability e.g trade requirements or mobility issues. Looking at the map, I'd exempt the Salford side from the restrictions, but rebuild the Manchester Arena, Arndale and Manchester Central Car Parks as large multistoreys and then build small social housing estates on the rest. The Arena and Arndale carparks already are large multistoreys (unless by Arena you mean the open space where Boddington's brewery used to be). The Manchester Central carpark is in the G-MEX undercroft, you couldn't really make that a multistorey without demolishing the exhibition centre on top of it. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 4, 2020 17:13:00 GMT
Let us not forget that there were flats on top of the Arndale. They'd go for a song now.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 4, 2020 17:29:29 GMT
Let us not forget that there were flats on top of the Arndale. They'd go for a song now. It was something I hadn't realised until the 1996 Manchester IRA bomb, when we heard of people trapped in the flats. |
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