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Post by Admin Twaddleford on Jan 1, 2020 14:52:59 GMT
Lab majority
Elects by thirds
Current composition: Lab 51, Con 5, Grn 1
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2020 1:22:10 GMT
Given what happened to Angie's majority, what price some odd results here?
I believe the Tory leader is up in Stalybridge South. Conversely, I imagine Labour to on the defensive in Stalybridge North (against the Tories) and Ashton Waterloo (against the Greens).
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Post by lancastrian on Jan 21, 2020 1:30:19 GMT
Rayner still won comfortably enough to have probably carried either all or almost all the wards. Ashton Hurst has sometimes been Tory, but that's the only one that looks like a chance of a Tory gain in that constituency.
Edit: A localist group got close in Stalybridge North last year, but unless the Tories manage to get in as much of a mess as last May in the next few months I suspect 2019 might prove to be a high water mark for independents.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 1, 2020 20:20:02 GMT
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 2, 2020 12:56:11 GMT
This will be a very interesting issue to watch carefully, the Tameside Labour councillors responsible for the area nearby are opposed to it from what I can gather, but I wonder if they will become victims of a generalized backlash against Labour in the area because of the project. Do the Greens have any activists in the area? |
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Post by neilm on Oct 2, 2020 13:18:25 GMT
This will be a very interesting issue to watch carefully, the Tameside Labour councillors responsible for the area nearby are opposed to it from what I can gather, but I wonder if they will become victims of a generalized backlash against Labour in the area because of the project. Do the Greens have any activists in the area? Paging owainsutton |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 2, 2020 13:19:10 GMT
This will be a very interesting issue to watch carefully, the Tameside Labour councillors responsible for the area nearby are opposed to it from what I can gather, but I wonder if they will become victims of a generalized backlash against Labour in the area because of the project. Do the Greens have any activists in the area? The Greens have a councillor up in Ashton, so a bit far, and the Stockport Greens are (according to my source) heavily concentrated around the Heaton, which is also not that close. I suspect nothing will come of it, but it does show yet again that several of the local CLPs/council administrations really don't like each other, which has been rumoured for some time. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 2, 2020 13:28:52 GMT
I’m amazing anyone gives a toss what William Wragg and Mary Robinson’s views are.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 2, 2020 14:05:10 GMT
I’m amazing anyone gives a toss what William Wragg and Mary Robinson’s views are. Why would they not? Stockport's Green Belt sits mainly in their seats. There's a lot of aggro about the spatial plan. |
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Post by willlucky on Oct 2, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
This will be a very interesting issue to watch carefully, the Tameside Labour councillors responsible for the area nearby are opposed to it from what I can gather, but I wonder if they will become victims of a generalized backlash against Labour in the area because of the project. Do the Greens have any activists in the area? The Greens have a councillor up in Ashton, so a bit far, and the Stockport Greens are (according to my source) heavily concentrated around the Heaton, which is also not that close. I suspect nothing will come of it, but it does show yet again that several of the local CLPs/council administrations really don't like each other, which has been rumoured for some time. There is another way. The Stockport Lib Dem’s have been attempting to pull Stockport out of the Spatial Framework for the last couple of years. If as a nuclear option the Stockport Tories joined them on that vote, well... |
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Post by owainsutton on Oct 2, 2020 17:56:25 GMT
This will be a very interesting issue to watch carefully, the Tameside Labour councillors responsible for the area nearby are opposed to it from what I can gather, but I wonder if they will become victims of a generalized backlash against Labour in the area because of the project. Do the Greens have any activists in the area? The Greens have a councillor up in Ashton, so a bit far, and the Stockport Greens are (according to my source) heavily concentrated around the Heaton, which is also not that close. I suspect nothing will come of it, but it does show yet again that several of the local CLPs/council administrations really don't like each other, which has been rumoured for some time. Pretty much this. It's no secret that Tameside Greens are a small party (even by GPEW measures). |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 2, 2020 18:56:13 GMT
This will be a very interesting issue to watch carefully, the Tameside Labour councillors responsible for the area nearby are opposed to it from what I can gather, but I wonder if they will become victims of a generalized backlash against Labour in the area because of the project. Do the Greens have any activists in the area? The Greens have a councillor up in Ashton, so a bit far, and the Stockport Greens are (according to my source) heavily concentrated around the Heaton, which is also not that close. I suspect nothing will come of it, but it does show yet again that several of the local CLPs/council administrations really don't like each other, which has been rumoured for some time. Thanks for the local insight, the Labour infighting to me is absolutely no surprise, I used to be a member of Reading and District Labour Party, which was put into special measures after the first AGM one summer was cancelled halfway through by a right wing executive who saw the ballot papers and turnout and panicked. They still lost in the end....  . In Reading, it was a clash of the CLPs demographics in line with the seat, Reading West having a more working class membership and Reading East being more middle class generally, I suspect it's the same or similar with Stockport CLPs and Tameside CLP. |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 2, 2020 18:58:11 GMT
The Greens have a councillor up in Ashton, so a bit far, and the Stockport Greens are (according to my source) heavily concentrated around the Heaton, which is also not that close. I suspect nothing will come of it, but it does show yet again that several of the local CLPs/council administrations really don't like each other, which has been rumoured for some time. There is another way. The Stockport Lib Dem’s have been attempting to pull Stockport out of the Spatial Framework for the last couple of years. If as a nuclear option the Stockport Tories joined them on that vote, well... However,is the GMSF ultimately the responsibility of Andy Burnham and could he overrule some of the MBC's wishes? |
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Post by neilm on Oct 2, 2020 20:11:16 GMT
There is another way. The Stockport Lib Dem’s have been attempting to pull Stockport out of the Spatial Framework for the last couple of years. If as a nuclear option the Stockport Tories joined them on that vote, well... However,is the GMSF ultimately the responsibility of Andy Burnham and could he overrule some of the MBC's wishes? The GMSF needs to be approved by all ten boroughs before going to Robert Jenrick for approval prior to kicking in in 2022. Stockport Tories got an amendment passed to delay discussion until next month when it's actually published. It isn't just this issue that's irritated Stockport and if they don't agree to adopt it then Burnham is in a tight spot. |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 2, 2020 20:16:34 GMT
However,is the GMSF ultimately the responsibility of Andy Burnham and could he overrule some of the MBC's wishes? The GMSF needs to be approved by all ten boroughs before going to Robert Jenrick for approval prior to kicking in in 2022. Stockport Tories got an amendment passed to delay discussion until next month when it's actually published. It isn't just this issue that's irritated Stockport and if they don't agree to adopt it then Burnham is in a tight spot. Thanks for answering my question. |
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Post by willlucky on Oct 2, 2020 20:46:02 GMT
The GMSF needs to be approved by all ten boroughs before going to Robert Jenrick for approval prior to kicking in in 2022. Stockport Tories got an amendment passed to delay discussion until next month when it's actually published. It isn't just this issue that's irritated Stockport and if they don't agree to adopt it then Burnham is in a tight spot.
Indeed, and with Labour in minority control there is the possibility that if the Lib Dems and Tories decided to join together to reject they would have the majority. They don't exactly do that much though.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 2, 2020 23:27:53 GMT
However,is the GMSF ultimately the responsibility of Andy Burnham and could he overrule some of the MBC's wishes? The GMSF needs to be approved by all ten boroughs before going to Robert Jenrick for approval prior to kicking in in 2022. Stockport Tories got an amendment passed to delay discussion until next month when it's actually published. It isn't just this issue that's irritated Stockport and if they don't agree to adopt it then Burnham is in a tight spot. I'd be interested to see what happens with Trafford as well. There are plenty of rumours that Burnham and Western aren't friendly. The spatial plan involved dumping loads of housing in Carrington (lunacy) and the forced shutting of the municipal golf course in Flixton. Thankfully Western had it removed and assigned as a village green, but the threat of the amenity being lost altogether helped Labour defeat the Tories there last time. |
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Post by unrepentantfool on Oct 2, 2020 23:49:57 GMT
The GMSF needs to be approved by all ten boroughs before going to Robert Jenrick for approval prior to kicking in in 2022. Stockport Tories got an amendment passed to delay discussion until next month when it's actually published. It isn't just this issue that's irritated Stockport and if they don't agree to adopt it then Burnham is in a tight spot. I'd be interested to see what happens with Trafford as well. There are plenty of rumours that Burnham and Western aren't friendly. The spatial plan involved dumping loads of housing in Carrington (lunacy) and the forced shutting of the municipal golf course in Flixton. Thankfully Western had it removed and assigned as a village green, but the threat of the amenity being lost altogether helped Labour defeat the Tories there last time. If Greater Manchester is so deeply in need of housing, why doesn't it just start building council housing on derelict ex industrial sites close to Manchester city centre, instead of letting developers snap the sites up to convert into overpriced "luxury" flats? My commute is now through GM and I see plenty of derelict sites on the journey. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 3, 2020 8:25:34 GMT
I'd be interested to see what happens with Trafford as well. There are plenty of rumours that Burnham and Western aren't friendly. The spatial plan involved dumping loads of housing in Carrington (lunacy) and the forced shutting of the municipal golf course in Flixton. Thankfully Western had it removed and assigned as a village green, but the threat of the amenity being lost altogether helped Labour defeat the Tories there last time. If Greater Manchester is so deeply in need of housing, why doesn't it just start building council housing on derelict ex industrial sites close to Manchester city centre, instead of letting developers snap the sites up to convert into overpriced "luxury" flats? My commute is now through GM and I see plenty of derelict sites on the journey. A fair question: the Northern Gateway, especially, is a load of crap that isn't needed (not to mention the loan the council gave a Chinese firm to buy land from, er, the council. Lunacy). And tiny 'executive homes' for 375k in Miles Platting! Which sites are you specifically thinking of, and how close are we talking? There's the old bus depot on Bowes Street that's now flats/sheltered housing (still being finished) but where else? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 3, 2020 8:41:33 GMT
There's loads of spare brownfield in Belle Vue for starters. And they want to build up/deport the population of Collyhurst now, as they did Ancoats. It is a fair question, unrepentantfool. I sense it is because as neilm says- the city centre stuff is all being sold to foreign investors and will sit empty. |
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