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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2020 21:36:06 GMT
Other delights:
Poole, Bournemouth Conference Centre and Isle of Purbeck
Ebbw Vale, Hay-on-Wye, Rhayader and Llanidloes
And a Cheshire special of Knutsford and Nantwich.
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 27, 2020 21:37:28 GMT
Felixstowe, Harwich, Shotley & Frinton - both for the Continent and the Incontinent.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2020 21:44:32 GMT
Cowdenbeath, Glenrothes West and Auchtermuchty.
What would Sir John Junor say?
EDIT: Just spotted Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Stirling. The horror.
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Post by islington on Oct 27, 2020 21:54:57 GMT
Any truth in the rumour that the BCE has asked Electoral Calculus for the loan of its algorithm?
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Post by kevinlarkin on Oct 27, 2020 22:06:33 GMT
It is easy to mock of course, and there is a great deal to mock here, but I think we should also applaud Electoral Calculus for at least coming up with an attempt at an automated redistricting algorithm and putting the results of their alpha version out for all to see.
It does raise a number of questions about how such an algorithm could be improved and whether it could assist the boundary drawing process.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 27, 2020 22:25:37 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse - that or "Tees Banks" including Redcar and Billingham. Has anyone worked out what's going on with the Oswestry pocket? Or did he just hit an OUT OF CHEESE error? Is that York Racecourse & Trent Falls I spot?  |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 27, 2020 22:34:17 GMT
Given what it's like generally, the fact that it's solution for Lancaster is actually more sensible than the current boundaries is slightly disturbing Yes but its solution for Lancaster cuts out Skerton and Torrisholme whilst still including Morecambe, which is completely absurd. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 27, 2020 22:37:00 GMT
It is easy to mock of course, and there is a great deal to mock here, but I think we should also applaud Electoral Calculus for at least coming up with an attempt at an automated redistricting algorithm and putting the results of their alpha version out for all to see. It does raise a number of questions about how such an algorithm could be improved and whether it could assist the boundary drawing process. The first thing to sort out is clearly to define what constitutes a "border" between wards. |
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 27, 2020 22:49:40 GMT
Kearsley and Walmersley is an interesting way of putting me into a Conservative seat.
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Post by therealriga on Oct 28, 2020 4:30:35 GMT
The Humber seats are certainly fun. Barton, Hessle and Immingham. Just the world has been waiting for. Other joys: Clitheroe and Poulton Oxford North and Buckingham South Abingdon and Bicester Corby and Rutland Chelmsford doughnut "I being the returning officer for Chelmsford doughnut, am in a bit of a jam with the declaration" Sounds like she's in a bit of a hole, will she even get paid and get the dough she needs to survive? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Oct 28, 2020 8:00:29 GMT
The Al Gore Rhythm they used has as much knowledge of local issues as a US Vice President.
For Sheffield it unusual rather than totally absurd. Never seen a constituency boundry that had Central Sheffield and Lodge Moor in it in modern times. It would put me and my sister in the same constituency. Definately would make my seat less marginal and safer for Labour.
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 28, 2020 8:14:04 GMT
A number of these appear to be contiguous only by boat: A boundary drawing algorithm is only likely to come up with sensible plans if each pairing of adjacent wards is given a score based on the strength of links (physical, administrative and community) between the two. Here's something I've always wondered. Does the Boundary Commission have a boundary drawing algorithm which provides a starting point for its deliberations? A good one would provide multiple options with minor tweaks to its inputs, and with "scores" attached to different options. Given modern technology there certainly ought to be such a thing. However I know the Boundary Commission is under-resourced and rather amateur, so perhaps this is too much to ask. |
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Post by hullenedge on Oct 28, 2020 8:20:50 GMT
It would be interesting to see the pro-Tory and pro-Labour maps. There may be more neutral maps (especially if someone has commissioned EC) that conclude with Con 380ish and Lab 190ish.
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Post by WJ on Oct 28, 2020 8:40:49 GMT
A thing of beauty. I've not managed to look at the rest of it yet because my eyes are still fixed upon Shropshire.
Kidderminster South and Shrewsbury South and Bridgnorth and Shrewsbury North are both glorious. But Market Drayton and Clun is a master stroke.
Incidentally, that is another seat where boats are required to travel through it without leaving its bounds. Mostly thanks to the egregious Loton ward which has no bridges crossing the Severn.
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Post by WJ on Oct 28, 2020 8:57:32 GMT
Some other beauties not mentioned yet:
Portsmouth South and Hayling West; New Forest South and Netley; "Tees Banks" and whatever is happening in Torbay
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 28, 2020 9:02:10 GMT
A thing of beauty. I've not managed to look at the rest of it yet because my eyes are still fixed upon Shropshire. Kidderminster South and Shrewsbury South and Bridgnorth and Shrewsbury North are both glorious. But Market Drayton and Clun is a master stroke. Incidentally, that is another seat where boats are required to travel through it without leaving its bounds. Mostly thanks to the egregious Loton ward which has no bridges crossing the Severn. Why do so many of you have this odd obsession with 'movement' inside a ward or a constituency? The constituent/elector does not need to 'know' any other elector, to meet any of them, to know of them or about them. He does not need to know the boundaries or to 'go' anywhere in the ward or the constituency for any purpose at all. When he visits his Aunt Alice who is in the same seat to talk about the up-coming election he really does not notice or care about crossing the railway line, the river or the major main road of the district. He does not care that he has passed through another ward and perhaps another constituency to get to her. He does not know or care because it does not matter in the smallest slightest effect does it? It has nothing at all to do with voting. He wants and needs a vote. An 'equal' vote that is fair and not one three times less 'of value' than a voter in another constituency. The glaring inequality of a voter in Western Isles to one in Isle of Wight is a very major concern. Two voters with entirely equal value votes in the same constituency that embraces the Hundred of Hoo and the Isle of Sheppey are entirely unconcerned about the 'notional difficulty' of getting to see each other, because they don't know each other and are unaware of each other and only concerned with having their own 'fair' vote. Can we please all stop this nonsense line of abstruse and frankly idiotic argument. |
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Post by WJ on Oct 28, 2020 9:11:27 GMT
A thing of beauty. I've not managed to look at the rest of it yet because my eyes are still fixed upon Shropshire. Kidderminster South and Shrewsbury South and Bridgnorth and Shrewsbury North are both glorious. But Market Drayton and Clun is a master stroke. Incidentally, that is another seat where boats are required to travel through it without leaving its bounds. Mostly thanks to the egregious Loton ward which has no bridges crossing the Severn. Why do so many of you have this odd obsession with 'movement' inside a ward or a constituency? The constituent/elector does not need to 'know' any other elector, to meet any of them, to know of them or about them. He does not need to know the boundaries or to 'go' anywhere in the ward or the constituency for any purpose at all. When he visits his Aunt Alice who is in the same seat to talk about the up-coming election he really does not notice or care about crossing the railway line, the river or the major main road of the district. He does not care that he has passed through another ward and perhaps another constituency to get to her. He does not know or care because it does not matter in the smallest slightest effect does it? It has nothing at all to do with voting. He wants and needs a vote. An 'equal' vote that is fair and not one three times less 'of value' than a voter in another constituency. The glaring inequality of a voter in Western Isles to one in Isle of Wight is a very major concern. Two voters with entirely equal value votes in the same constituency that embraces the Hundred of Hoo and the Isle of Sheppey are entirely unconcerned about the 'notional difficulty' of getting to see each other, because they don't know each other and are unaware of each other and only concerned with having their own 'fair' vote. Can we please all stop this nonsense line of abstruse and frankly idiotic argument. I have no issue with movement within a constituency per se. I thought that was generally a rule that boundary commissions like to follow, which would make something like this egregious. As for wards. It's not so much the fact that there's direct travel, rather the consequences of it. Villages either side of the Severn in the Loton ward have no contact or shared services below the Council level, so in effect the councillor responsible for them has to serve two different communities. Simple as that. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 28, 2020 12:16:03 GMT
A thing of beauty. I've not managed to look at the rest of it yet because my eyes are still fixed upon Shropshire. Kidderminster South and Shrewsbury South and Bridgnorth and Shrewsbury North are both glorious. But Market Drayton and Clun is a master stroke. Incidentally, that is another seat where boats are required to travel through it without leaving its bounds. Mostly thanks to the egregious Loton ward which has no bridges crossing the Severn. Why do so many of you have this odd obsession with 'movement' inside a ward or a constituency? Because until we abolish representative democracy and just elect 650 MPs from a list, seats are a community of some sort, and communities are aggregations of people who share something, and with geographic seats that community is geography. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 28, 2020 12:32:20 GMT
Never mind "Severn Banks" aka The Forest of Dean and Berkeley. I noted that and was too shocked to think of a response! Although it does unite all the areas that people round here make six-fingered jokes about We shall have to see how that one works as a community of interest argument. Felixstowe, Harwich, Shotley & Frinton - both for the Continent and the Incontinent. Well, if you are going to pair Harwich and Felixstowe, you may as well chuck Shotley in and get all the termini of the foot ferry in the same seat. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 28, 2020 12:51:42 GMT
Why do so many of you have this odd obsession with 'movement' inside a ward or a constituency? Because until we abolish representative democracy and just elect 650 MPs from a list, seats are a community of some sort, and communities are aggregations of people who share something, and with geographic seats that community is geography. I mean, what do those who dismiss "community" as a major factor actually want - totally gerrymandered seats as in the US? |
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