Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jul 28, 2020 21:34:06 GMT
I quite like this, until Lancaster & Fleetwood 70403 But it already exists, so the commission wouldn't be disappointed. I would swap Skerton with the rural wards east of Lancaster though*. You can also tidy up the Chorley/South Ribble area by rearranging the two seats as (1) Leyland plus all the Chorley wards not in Chorley & Westhoughton, (2) the remainder of South Ribble and the part of West Lancashire. The road between Penwortham and Tarleton does very briefly leave (2), but that really doesn't matter in this case. * I've read the reports on this from the 5th review. Astonishingly, the commission, apparently supported by both the Conservative and Labour parties, considered that the Lune is the main dividing feature in the area, and that there is no merit in Skerton being part of the Lancaster constituency. So this might well be left as it is. Your suggestions make sense, of course. To my mind, these are the kinds of situations where the Commission should present two options, and see which one people prefer. By choosing one to begin with, they end up wasting more of everyone's time and energy. Unfortunately, in considering the opinions of the Commission and the parties, you have to consider the motivations... |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 28, 2020 21:55:53 GMT
Here's a 15 seat Cheshire: View Attachment1. Wallasey 69103 2. Birkenhead 74300 3. Wirral Deeside 71303 4. Bebington & Great Sutton 71243 5. Ellesmere Port & Halton Lea 72745 6. Halton 69428 7. Warrington South 71452 8. Warrington North 71592 9. Wilmslow & Lymm 69738 10. Macclesfield 69390 11. Congleton 74865 12. Crewe 72325 13. Nantwich & Eddisbury 71160 14. Northwich 73037 15. City of Chester 71041 The Wirral arrangement is that suggested by Khunanup. I'm not entirely convinced by it if I'm honest: the Wallasey split is a problem and both Ellesmere Port constituencies are ugly. However I don't think this is too bad away from the Wirral and Ellesmere Port. That's a good map. |
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jul 29, 2020 5:03:54 GMT
Just to complete the North West plan: Barrow & Furness 75422 West Cumberland 76142 Mid Cumberland 75985 Carlisle 75361 Westmorland 75694 Attachments:
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Post by emidsanorak on Jul 29, 2020 6:59:20 GMT
Now Cumbria plus the Morecambe area: View Attachment15. Westmorland & Penrith 74868 16. Morecambe & Sedbergh 74944 17. Barrow & Furness 75053 18. Whitehaven & Workington 74785 19. North Lakeland 72651 20. Carlisle 75361 Apart from Penrith sticking out like an at least somewhat itchy thumb, I think this is actually better than what I had before: in particular taking less of Cumbria into the Morecambe seat means there's no need to separate Bowness from Windermere town. I know Sedbergh is tiny, but I like to acknowledge crossings of county boundaries in names and mentioning it is one way of doing so. I like your Morecambe & Sedbergh. Your Barrow suffers because, while you can travel across Cartmel Sands by train, going by road involves a detour through the Broughton and Coniston ward.  |
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Post by emidsanorak on Jul 29, 2020 7:01:40 GMT
Now Cumbria plus the Morecambe area: View Attachment15. Westmorland & Penrith 74868 16. Morecambe & Sedbergh 74944 17. Barrow & Furness 75053 18. Whitehaven & Workington 74785 19. North Lakeland 72651 20. Carlisle 75361 Apart from Penrith sticking out like an at least somewhat itchy thumb, I think this is actually better than what I had before: in particular taking less of Cumbria into the Morecambe seat means there's no need to separate Bowness from Windermere town. I know Sedbergh is tiny, but I like to acknowledge crossings of county boundaries in names and mentioning it is one way of doing so. I like your Morecambe & Sedbergh. Your Barrow suffers because, while you can travel across Cartmel Sands by train, going by road involves a detour through the Broughton and Coniston ward. View AttachmentYou could try a different arrangement: 1 Carlisle 75361 Yes 2 Penrith 74983 Yes 3 Workington 75948 Yes 4 Westmorland 74259 Yes 5 Barrow 72167 Yes  6 Morecambe & Sedburgh 74944 Yes |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 29, 2020 8:25:06 GMT
I like your Morecambe & Sedbergh. Your Barrow suffers because, while you can travel across Cartmel Sands by train, going by road involves a detour through the Broughton and Coniston ward. You could try a different arrangement: 1 Carlisle 75361 Yes 2 Penrith 74983 Yes 3 Workington 75948 Yes 4 Westmorland 74259 Yes 5 Barrow 72167 Yes 6 Morecambe & Sedburgh 74944 Yes Isn't it a bit odd to call your no2 Penrith, when the town is right on the fringes and most of its hinterland is in another constituency? North Lakeland seems more appropriate, or if you insist on naming after a town, then surely Keswick? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 8:35:14 GMT
You could try a different arrangement: 1 Carlisle 75361 Yes 2 Penrith 74983 Yes 3 Workington 75948 Yes 4 Westmorland 74259 Yes 5 Barrow 72167 Yes 6 Morecambe & Sedburgh 74944 Yes Isn't it a bit odd to call your no2 Penrith, when the town is right on the fringes and most of its hinterland is in another constituency? North Lakeland seems more appropriate, or if you insist on naming after a town, then surely Keswick? "Cumberland"  |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 29, 2020 10:08:05 GMT
Isn't it a bit odd to call your no2 Penrith, when the town is right on the fringes and most of its hinterland is in another constituency? North Lakeland seems more appropriate, or if you insist on naming after a town, then surely Keswick? "Cumberland" Maybe not an altogether serious suggestion when an awful lot of Cumberland would be outside the constituency? North Cumberland would be a possibility., or for those who want to preserve the name of Penrith and don't mind 2-town names I wouldn't necessarily object to Keswick and Penrith. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:12:40 GMT
Oh I thought Cumberland was that NW corner.
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Post by emidsanorak on Jul 29, 2020 10:30:08 GMT
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jul 29, 2020 10:41:40 GMT
Staffordshire & Walsall (14 seats) Several of the seats are either unchanged or only slightly changed. The Newcastle seat has just 154 voters too many before Audley is removed. Maybe on the 2020 figures Audley can stay. My advice to the elections office there is not to be too diligent in completing the canvass. Walsall N 71589* includes Bentley Walsall S 72574* Aldridge & Burntwood 73544 Tamworth 74392 Lichfield & Stone 75329 Burton 71646 Cannock Chase 73904 S Staffs 73293 Stafford 74240 Stoke S & Cheadle 75430 Stoke C 74317 Stoke N & Kidsgrove 72366 Newcastle 69709 Staffs Moorlands 69155 Attachments:
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Post by Adrian on Jul 29, 2020 21:27:56 GMT
Shropshire (5 seats) Telford 75231 The Wrekin 75671 S Shropshire 75001 Shrewsbury 76083* N Shropshire 75286* - includes Bomere Heath Attachments:
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Post by Adrian on Jul 29, 2020 23:49:59 GMT
Herefordshire (2) and Worcestershire (6) N Herefs 70776 S Herefs 71472 - This much change isn't necessary, but it's worth considering. Worcester 73930 W Worcs 75099 Wyre Forest 69642 Bromsgrove 74429 Redditch 73546 Wychavon 75103 Attachments:
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Post by emidsanorak on Jul 30, 2020 8:01:31 GMT
I'm now leaning towards trying not to cross the Greater Manchester external boundary. That means Lancashire and Cumbria have to share 20 seats, which sounds challenging. But is it that bad? Here's most of Lancashire: View Attachment1. Preston North & Longridge 71123 2. Preston South & Walton 76027 3. Chorley 75447 4. Leyland 72239 5. Ormskirk & Skelmersdale 75481 6. Rossendale & Darwen 73789 7. Blackburn 74925 8. Accrington 75077 9. Burnley 76188 10. Pendle & Bowland 76014 11. Fylde 74807 12. Lancaster & Wyre 73515 13. Blackpool South 71428 14. Blackpool North & Fleetwood 75929 The Preston "sandwich" can be rearranged to give an approximately inner/outer split. There is a problem coming up with the new wards in Pendle, which have a ward spanning Brierfield and Nelson. I think lancastrian posted a fairly similar plan some weeks back. If the North West only qualifies for 73 seats, this sort of arrangement is almost necessary. Here is my stab at Lancashire. By putting Darwen into Chorley, I've dealt with the Rossendale problem and not divided Pendle. I'm quite pleased with this around the edges but, like you, I've somewhat butchered Preston: 1 Morecambe & Sedbergh 74944 Yes 2 Lancaster 74788 Yes 3 Fleetwood 71622 Yes 4 Blackpool 76159 Yes 5 Nelson 73369 Yes 6 Clitheroe 75897 Yes 7 Fylde 75590 Yes 8 Preston Broughton 75083 Yes 9 Burnley 72276 Yes 10 Preston Walton 73502 Yes 11 Blackburn 74925 Yes 12 Accrington 75899 Yes 13 Leyland 75619 Yes 14 Chorley 73582 Yes 15 Ormskirk 73678 Yes  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 8:24:40 GMT
I'm now leaning towards trying not to cross the Greater Manchester external boundary. That means Lancashire and Cumbria have to share 20 seats, which sounds challenging. But is it that bad? Here's most of Lancashire: 1. Preston North & Longridge 71123 2. Preston South & Walton 76027 3. Chorley 75447 4. Leyland 72239 5. Ormskirk & Skelmersdale 75481 6. Rossendale & Darwen 73789 7. Blackburn 74925 8. Accrington 75077 9. Burnley 76188 10. Pendle & Bowland 76014 11. Fylde 74807 12. Lancaster & Wyre 73515 13. Blackpool South 71428 14. Blackpool North & Fleetwood 75929 The Preston "sandwich" can be rearranged to give an approximately inner/outer split. There is a problem coming up with the new wards in Pendle, which have a ward spanning Brierfield and Nelson. I think lancastrian posted a fairly similar plan some weeks back. If the North West only qualifies for 73 seats, this sort of arrangement is almost necessary. Here is my stab at Lancashire. By putting Darwen into Chorley, I've dealt with the Rossendale problem and not divided Pendle. I'm quite pleased with this around the edges but, like you, I've somewhat butchered Preston: 1 Morecambe & Sedbergh 74944 Yes 2 Lancaster 74788 Yes 3 Fleetwood 71622 Yes 4 Blackpool 76159 Yes 5 Nelson 73369 Yes 6 Clitheroe 75897 Yes 7 Fylde 75590 Yes 8 Preston Broughton 75083 Yes 9 Burnley 72276 Yes 10 Preston Walton 73502 Yes 11 Blackburn 74925 Yes 12 Accrington 75899 Yes 13 Leyland 75619 Yes 14 Chorley 73582 Yes 15 Ormskirk 73678 Yes Ouch. |
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jul 30, 2020 19:18:08 GMT
Warwickshire incl. Coventry & Solihull (11 seats) Coventry seats unchanged. Solihull West 75067* Solihull East 76107* incl. SH03/04 (Lode Heath) Kenilworth & Southam 71108 Warwick & Leamington 69673 Stratford 72733 North Warks 73105 Nuneaton 69939 Rugby 74224 Attachments:
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Post by Adrian on Jul 30, 2020 19:42:32 GMT
Black Country (9 seats) West Brom West 74419 West Brom East 72799 Warley 72024 Halesowen & Stourbridge E 69107 Kingswinford & Stourbridge W 71707 Dudley 69560* Wton West 69704 Wton East 70725 Wton South & Coseley 69115* (inc. A08/09/10 Wrens Nest) Attachments:
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Post by greenhert on Jul 30, 2020 20:03:44 GMT
My Warwickshire plan (the Solihull problem can be solved by moving Dorridge & Hockley Heath and Knowle wards into most of the current Kenilworth & Southam seat; no need to split any Solihull wards):  Meriden 74,813 (ultra-safe Conservative seat) Solihull 69,001 (very safe Conservative seat) Stratford-on-Avon 76,073 (very safe Conservative seat) North Warwickshire 73,105 (very safe Conservative seat; gains Arley & Whitacre ward) Nuneaton 69,939 (safe Conservative seat; loses Arley & Whitacre ward and gains Bulkington ward) Rugby 74,224 (safe Conservative seat; now coterminous with Rugby borough) Kenilworth, Southam & Dorridge 70,243 (succeeds Kenilworth & Southam; ultra-safe Conservative seat) Warwick & Leamington 74,558 (marginal Labour seat; adjusted for new ward boundaries but otherwise unchanged) Coventry North East 75,349 (semi-marginal Labour seat; unchanged) Coventry North West 73,539 (ultra-marginal Labour seat; unchanged) Coventry South 69,159 (ultra-marginal Labour seat; unchanged) |
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jul 31, 2020 1:15:05 GMT
Thanks. I should've mentioned that I was aware of the Knowle/Dorridge option, but I know they look strongly towards Solihull, so I think it'd be better to keep them in a Solihull seat despite the split ward. However, because people are sentimental, plenty of them will want to keep Meriden in with Solihull purely in order to preserve the constituency name.
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Post by islington on Jul 31, 2020 9:26:13 GMT
Black Country (9 seats) West Brom West 74419 West Brom East 72799 Warley 72024 Halesowen & Stourbridge E 69107 Kingswinford & Stourbridge W 71707 Dudley 69560* Wton West 69704 Wton East 70725 Wton South & Coseley 69115* (inc. A08/09/10 Wrens Nest) Adrian, you could put Quarry Bank and Netherton in your Halesowen seat with the Kingswinford wards switching to Dudley. Then you'd keep Stourbridge together.
I know this results in an awkward shape for Halesowen but there are connecting roads and do you want to strain out this gnat only a page or two after you swallowed the camel of Lancaster & Fleetwood?
But more excitingly (well, I'm excited), your plan for this area has encouraged me to take another look at Wolverhampton, with results that I'll post in a moment.
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