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Post by YL on Jun 19, 2020 16:15:06 GMT
Here goes:  Zoom to West Yorks:  Yes, Leeds East & Tadcaster. Also Illingworth & Mixenden in Keighley, Wakefield scattered to the four winds, that Pontefract & Selby thing, some of the detail in Bradford, and while Skipton & Richmond might have a common Dales identity I don't think it would be popular. Rotherham boundaries are approximate: - Rother Vale is in Sheffield South East (the red Sheffield seat) - Brinsworth is in Sheffield Park & Meadowhall (the green Sheffield seat) - Rother Valley (blue) includes both Wickersley wards and Bramley & Ravenfield - Rotherham (yellow) includes Dalton & Thrybergh and Sitwell - Conisbrough & Rawmarsh (white) includes both Swinton and both Rawmarsh wards |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 19, 2020 16:23:38 GMT
The 4 way split in Wakefield is.... interesting XD
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 19, 2020 16:39:32 GMT
Here goes: Zoom to West Yorks: Yes, Leeds East & Tadcaster. Also Illingworth & Mixenden in Keighley, Wakefield scattered to the four winds, that Pontefract & Selby thing, some of the detail in Bradford, and while Skipton & Richmond might have a common Dales identity I don't think it would be popular. Rotherham boundaries are approximate: - Rother Vale is in Sheffield South East (the red Sheffield seat) - Brinsworth is in Sheffield Park & Meadowhall (the green Sheffield seat) - Rother Valley (blue) includes both Wickersley wards and Bramley & Ravenfield - Rotherham (yellow) includes Dalton & Thrybergh and Sitwell - Conisbrough & Rawmarsh (white) includes both Swinton and both Rawmarsh wards Can I recommend a swap in the North Yorkshire area? I don't know how the numbers work but swap Dales ward (in Ryedale) with Filey, if possible. Generally orphan wards should be avoided, and the deeply rural part of the moors in Ryedale looks to Helmsley/Pickering/Kirkbymoorside rather than Whitby/Scarborough. Likewise Filey doesn't seem to fit with Thirsk and Malton, and has much more in common with Scarborough (or Bridlington in a pinch). If the numbers allow us to finally move Filey away from Malton then we may as well do so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 16:58:36 GMT
Has anyone made an attempt on Lincolnshire?
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 19, 2020 17:36:13 GMT
Here goes: Zoom to West Yorks: Yes, Leeds East & Tadcaster. Also Illingworth & Mixenden in Keighley, Wakefield scattered to the four winds, that Pontefract & Selby thing, some of the detail in Bradford, and while Skipton & Richmond might have a common Dales identity I don't think it would be popular. Rotherham boundaries are approximate: - Rother Vale is in Sheffield South East (the red Sheffield seat) - Brinsworth is in Sheffield Park & Meadowhall (the green Sheffield seat) - Rother Valley (blue) includes both Wickersley wards and Bramley & Ravenfield - Rotherham (yellow) includes Dalton & Thrybergh and Sitwell - Conisbrough & Rawmarsh (white) includes both Swinton and both Rawmarsh wards Thanks for posting. I fail everytime with this rotten 5% limit. There's going to be tons of split wards. |
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Post by islington on Jun 19, 2020 18:17:47 GMT
Right, I've tried S & W Yorks and come up with something that keeps Dewsbury and Wakefield together. And I'm afraid I don't know how to post maps these days so I'd be grateful if someone could advise me.
But here goes.
Colne Valley as per YL above - 69348
Huddersfield likewise except adding Rastrick instead of Elland - 75922
Dewsbury as I had it above - 69454
Batley & Morley likewise - 74328
Barnsley W & Kirkburton (other names are possible): Almondbury, Kirkburton, Denby Dale; Penistone E & W, Darton E & W - 75839
Barnsley C: Existing seat minus the Darton wards and plus Dodworth, Worsborough, Darfield - 71769
Barnsley E: Remaining Barnsley wards - 69712
Wakefield: Wakefield town (4 wards), Wakefield Rural, Stanley - 69022
Hemsworth: Existing seat minus Wakefield S and plus Normanton - 75559
Pontefract & Castleford: Existing NP&C seat minus Normanton - 72989
Ossett: Remaining wards of Wakefield; Arsdsley, Middleton Park - 73269
Leeds SE (or Rothwell): Rothwell, Temple Newsam, Garforth, Kippax; S Milford, Shelburn - 72367
Leeds NE & Tadcaster: Alwoodley, Cross Gates, Harewood, Wetherby; Tadcaster - 72012
Leeds E: Beeston, Hunslet, Burmantofts, Gipton, Killingbeck - 75696
Leeds N: Headingley, Chapel Allerton, Moortown, Roundhay - 69545
Leeds W: Existing seat minus Bramley and plus Lt London, Adel (all adjusted for new ward boundaries) - 75721
Pudsey: Existing seat minus Guiseley and plus Bramley - 69996
Otley (good to see an old name making a comeback): Remaining Leeds wards; Wharfedale, Ilkley - 73737
Keighley: Existing seat minus Ilkley and plus Bingley Rural - 76068
Shipley: Existing seat minis Bingley R, Wharfedale and plus Heaton, Idle - 75023
Bradford W: Existing seat minus Heaton, Manningham and plus Gt Horton, Queensbury - 71711
Bradford E: Existing seat minus Idle plus Manningham - 72596
Bradford S & Cleckheaton: Remaining Bradford wards; Cleckheaton, Liversedge - 73339
Halifax: Existing seat minus Sowerby Bridge, Warley and plus Hipperholme, Brighouse - 70291
Calder Valley: Rest of Calderdale - 69339
Sheffield Hillsborough: Hillsborough, Wlkley, Crookes, Stannington, Stocksbridge - 72581
Sheffield Ecclesall: Dore, Fulwood, Ecclesall, Beauchief, Graves Pk - 70752
Sheffield C: Central, Broomhill, Nether Edge, Gleadless V, Park - 72685
Sheffield Brightside: Ecclesfield E & W, Firth Park, Southey, Shire Gn - 69092
Sheffield Attercliffe: Darnall, Burngreave, Manor Castle, Richmond, Woodhouse; Brinsworth - 75867
Rother Valley: Remaining 3 Sheffield wards; 4 wards on southern border of Rotherham - 75043
Wentworth: Existing seat minus the Barnsley wards and plus Keppel, Wingfield - 74030
Rotherham: Remaining Rotherham wards - 73125
That's as far as I've got at the moment, but I hope it helps. I promise it all makes a bit more sense (maybe not a lot more) if you put it in Boundary Assistant.
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Post by YL on Jun 19, 2020 18:50:26 GMT
islington: I put it in Boundary Assistant and it does make a fair amount of sense, but: - you mean Stairfoot rather than Darfield in Barnsley Central - Leeds West doesn't have Adel & Wharfedale; that must be in your Otley to make it work I will see if I can extend it to the rest of the region and whether I think it can work with the new Rotherham wards...
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jun 19, 2020 19:37:43 GMT
Right, I've tried S & W Yorks and come up with something that keeps Dewsbury and Wakefield together. And I'm afraid I don't know how to post maps these days so I'd be grateful if someone could advise me. ... Ossett: Remaining wards of Wakefield; Arsdsley, Middleton Park - 73269 ... Arsdsley is a good name for a Yorkshire ward. To post maps on here create an image file using the Snipping Tool or Snip & Sketch or press Ctrl+PrtScrn (Windows) or Cmd+Shift+4 and select the area of the screen you want (Mac). Upload the image file to here as an attachment (can only be viewed full size by members who are logged on) or upload to an image hosting website and link to that. www.proboards.com/user-guide/posting/inserting-imageswww.proboards.com/user-guide/posting/attachment |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 19, 2020 20:16:01 GMT
Has anyone made an attempt on Lincolnshire? Yes:  1 Rutland and Stamford 74759 Yes 2 Grantham 75946 Yes 3 Sleaford and North Hykeham 75243 Yes 4 South Holland 73424 Yes 5 Boston and Skegness 75872 Yes 6 Lincoln 74820 Yes 7 Scunthorpe 70919 Yes 8 Great Grimsby 74958 Yes 9 Louth and Cleethorpes 75336 Yes 10 Horncastle 71990 Yes 11 Gainsborough and Brigg 74490 Yes |
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Post by YL on Jun 19, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
islington: I put it in Boundary Assistant and it does make a fair amount of sense, but: - you mean Stairfoot rather than Darfield in Barnsley Central - Leeds West doesn't have Adel & Wharfedale; that must be in your Otley to make it work I will see if I can extend it to the rest of the region and whether I think it can work with the new Rotherham wards... 's map can indeed be extended to the rest of the region, with some adjustment to the North Yorkshire components of the cross-border constituencies. I will try to improve the map in Hull before posting it. In Rotherham, I ended up with something quite different, but this at least shows it can be done: - Brinsworth in the Sheffield Attercliffe seat (my estimate 73,907) - Mosborough & Rother Valley: The Mosborough wards join with Wales, the two Aston-cum-Aughton wards, Rother Vale and Sitwell; estimate 74,966. - "Rotherham East": Anston & Woodsetts, Bramley & Ravenfield, Dalton & Thrybergh, Dinnington, Hellaby & Maltby West, Rawmarsh East, Rawmarsh West, Thurcroft & Wickersley South, Wickersley North. Estimate 74,371. The inclusion of Rawmarsh is a bit ugly and it is not an easy seat to name. - "Rotherham": Boston Castle, Greasbrough, Hoober, Keppel, Kilnhurst & Swinton East, Rotherham East, Rotherham West, Swinton Rockingham, Wath. Estimate 74,661. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 19, 2020 21:58:09 GMT
islington: I put it in Boundary Assistant and it does make a fair amount of sense, but: - you mean Stairfoot rather than Darfield in Barnsley Central - Leeds West doesn't have Adel & Wharfedale; that must be in your Otley to make it work I will see if I can extend it to the rest of the region and whether I think it can work with the new Rotherham wards... 's map can indeed be extended to the rest of the region, with some adjustment to the North Yorkshire components of the cross-border constituencies. I will try to improve the map in Hull before posting it. In Rotherham, I ended up with something quite different, but this at least shows it can be done: - Brinsworth in the Sheffield Attercliffe seat (my estimate 73,907) - Mosborough & Rother Valley: The Mosborough wards join with Wales, the two Aston-cum-Aughton wards, Rother Vale and Sitwell; estimate 74,966. - "Rotherham East": Anston & Woodsetts, Bramley & Ravenfield, Dalton & Thrybergh, Dinnington, Hellaby & Maltby West, Rawmarsh East, Rawmarsh West, Thurcroft & Wickersley South, Wickersley North. Estimate 74,371. The inclusion of Rawmarsh is a bit ugly and it is not an easy seat to name. - "Rotherham": Boston Castle, Greasbrough, Hoober, Keppel, Kilnhurst & Swinton East, Rotherham East, Rotherham West, Swinton Rockingham, Wath. Estimate 74,661. I would really advocate splitting Rotherham North/South. So much more natural in terms of the geography and how the periphery estates & pit villages join together. And a historic correction given that neither the Rotherham constituency ever properly encompassed the whole town, nor the name Wentworth properly gave note to the inclusion of the villages to the far eastern side of the district. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 19, 2020 22:09:43 GMT
Barnsley W & Kirkburton (other names are possible): Almondbury, Kirkburton, Denby Dale; Penistone E & W, Darton E & W - 75839 I can see why you’ve done this in terms of freeing up space in Kirklees for a ‘whole’ Huddersfield constituency. But it is an extremely offensive seat. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 19, 2020 23:10:49 GMT
Barnsley W & Kirkburton (other names are possible): Almondbury, Kirkburton, Denby Dale; Penistone E & W, Darton E & W - 75839 I can see why you’ve done this in terms of freeing up space in Kirklees for a ‘whole’ Huddersfield constituency. But it is an extremely offensive seat. A bit strong. You'd struggle to detect the Barnsley/Kirklees boundary given the 'sameness' of these beautiful villages. Unlikely to happen though. Wards will be split. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 19, 2020 23:36:08 GMT
I can see why you’ve done this in terms of freeing up space in Kirklees for a ‘whole’ Huddersfield constituency. But it is an extremely offensive seat. A bit strong. You'd struggle to detect the Barnsley/Kirklees boundary given the 'sameness' of these beautiful villages. Unlikely to happen though. Wards will be split. But will they, are you a commissioner? I really hope so but you can’t give these people too much credit. - the issue is not splitting the border, a sensible move in that area which I support if we are not splitting wards, but the inclusion of the Darton, Almondbury, and Penistone areas, all in one seat. Rivalling Leeds Metropolitan and Ossett for disjuncture. It’s not good |
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Post by lancastrian on Jun 19, 2020 23:59:31 GMT
An attempt at Lancashire, Manchester and Cheshire, using @pr1berske 's suggestion of Chorley and Horwich as the Lancashire/Greater Manchester cross border constituency.  Do they have pitchforks in Runcorn and Ellesmere Port? The size and shapes of the wards in Cheshire make it all very awkward. Given the 5% rule most of Greater Manchester isn't that bad IMO - I'm sure residents of Cheadle would disagree. It isn't strictly necessary to include Rainford in West Lancashire, but I think it's better than the arrangement I had before. St Helens North is within quota either way. On the new boundaries for Pendle Brierfield East and Clover Hill would be in the Burnley seat - unfortunately the new wards I think guarantee one of the towns being split. Edit: Fylde can be improved by moving Stanah to Blackpool North, Freckleton to Fylde and Gisburn/Rimington to Mid Lancashire. |
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Post by mattb on Jun 20, 2020 6:36:14 GMT
An attempt at Lancashire, Manchester and Cheshire, using @pr1berske 's suggestion of Chorley and Horwich as the Lancashire/Greater Manchester cross border constituency. Do they have pitchforks in Runcorn and Ellesmere Port? The size and shapes of the wards in Cheshire make it all very awkward. Given the 5% rule most of Greater Manchester isn't that bad IMO - I'm sure residents of Cheadle would disagree. It isn't strictly necessary to include Rainford in West Lancashire, but I think it's better than the arrangement I had before. St Helens North is within quota either way. On the new boundaries for Pendle Brierfield East and Clover Hill would be in the Burnley seat - unfortunately the new wards I think guarantee one of the towns being split. Edit: Fylde can be improved by moving Stanah to Blackpool North, Freckleton to Fylde and Gisburn/Rimington to Mid Lancashire. Thanks for posting. This was my NW - not dissimilar to yours. But Stockport works nicely for three whole seats and I think generally my Cheshire works better than yours. Ended up quite liking most of this actually, only one or two really contrived outcomes.   Carlisle 69074 Workington & W Cumberland 74785 Barrow & Furness 72167 N Cumberland 72624 Westmoreland & Penrith 76212 Morecambe 69762 Lancaster 70353 Pendle & Bowland 69416 Burnley 70385 Rossendale & Darwen 73180 Accrington 71267 Blackburn 74925 Clitheroe & Garstang 70113 Fleetwood & Poulton 71622 Fylde 71451 Blackpool 71267 Preston N 72663 Preston S 74653 Crosby 70239 Chorley 69159 Leyland & W Lancs 70141 Southport 71299 Ormskirk & Skelmersdale 70343 Bootle 75258 Wallasey 69103 Birkenhead 74300 Wirral 71303 Ellesmere Port & Bebbington 74218 Northwich & Norton 70859 Widnes & Runcorn 72332 Liverpool Wavertree 73864 Liverpool Garston & Halewood 75335 Liverpool Riverside 70433 Liverpool West Derby & Roby 71847 Liverpool Walton 74492 Huyton & Kirby 70622 St Helens N 76090 St Helens S 69726 Eddisbury 74032 Chester & Great Sutton 75805 Winsford & Alsager 75493 Crewe & Nantwich 69559 Sandbach & Congleton 70859 Macclesfield 69530 Tatton 76016 Warrington 73668 Padgate & Lowton 74732 Wythenshawe & Hale 76142 Manchester Moss Side 74462 Manchester Withington 73569 Manchester Ardwick 75947 Manchester Blackley & Broughton 72532 Cheadle 75763 Hazel Grove 74280 Stockport 76014 Ashton-u-L 71215 Denton & Hyde 73121 Failsworth & Moston 71280 Saddleworth 75989 Oldham 74484 Rochdale 71665 Heywood & Middleton 72918 Bury 69332 Altrincham & Sale 74811 Prestwich & Radcliffe 75637 Bolton 75760 Farnworth & Hulton 69697 Westhoughton 72871 Stretford & Urmston 75557 Worsley 75607 Salford & Eccles 69351 Makerfield 74400 Leigh 69245 Wigan 75661 |
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Post by islington on Jun 20, 2020 8:08:07 GMT
I can see why you’ve done this in terms of freeing up space in Kirklees for a ‘whole’ Huddersfield constituency. But it is an extremely offensive seat. A bit strong. You'd struggle to detect the Barnsley/Kirklees boundary given the 'sameness' of these beautiful villages. Unlikely to happen though. Wards will be split. No, it's fine. One welcomes criticism. And he's right; it's not a pretty seat.
So I've had a tinker, and I now suggest:
Huddersfield: Existing seat plus Rastrick (i.e. it retains Almondbury) - 74175 Colne Valley: Existing seat minus Holme Valley S (this means it retains Lindley) - 69444 Penistone: Holme Valley S, Kirkburton, Denby Dale; Penistone E & W, Dodworth - 69040 Barnsley N: Existing seat of Barnsley C minus Kingstone and plus Cudworth, North East - 75301 Barnsley S: Remaining Barnsley wards - 74630
I'm actually pretty happy with this. The revised Penistone seat is much improved, now containing no part of Huddersfield, and Darton stays in a Barnsley-based seat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 8:14:01 GMT
mattb I like your Lancashire. A few name changes are in my mind (because that's my speciality!)
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 20, 2020 8:28:18 GMT
A bit strong. You'd struggle to detect the Barnsley/Kirklees boundary given the 'sameness' of these beautiful villages. Unlikely to happen though. Wards will be split. No, it's fine. One welcomes criticism. And he's right; it's not a pretty seat. So I've had a tinker, and I now suggest: Huddersfield: Existing seat plus Rastrick (i.e. it retains Almondbury) - 74175 Colne Valley: Existing seat minus Holme Valley S (this means it retains Lindley) - 69444 Penistone: Holme Valley S, Kirkburton, Denby Dale; Penistone E & W, Dodworth - 69040 Barnsley N: Existing seat of Barnsley C minus Kingstone and plus Cudworth, North East - 75301 Barnsley S: Remaining Barnsley wards - 74630 I'm actually pretty happy with this. The revised Penistone seat is much improved, now containing no part of Huddersfield, and Darton stays in a Barnsley-based seat.
That's pretty decent. You should be a commissioner! More likely that we (Elland) would be subsumed into Huddersfield. Transport links and planned housing developments etc. The Calderdale split will be contentious. The three Brighouse wards, Northowram/Shelf and Town fit together but it's what you add to them. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 20, 2020 8:32:34 GMT
Real Housewives of Wythenshawe  I like it. |
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I like it.