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Post by greenhert on Jun 13, 2020 20:45:54 GMT
Yes. Hence my change of the revised pairings: Newham, Barking & Dagenham: 4.07 quotas (4 seats). Redbridge & Havering: 5.07 quotas (5). East London (Waltham Forest, Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets): 8.90 quotas (9). Greenwich & Lewisham: 4.78 quotas (5). Bexley, Bromley & Croydon: 8.86 quotas (9). Lambeth & Southwark remain paired here but gain an extra seat overall, giving them 6 seats in total. |
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Post by greenhert on Jun 13, 2020 20:46:31 GMT
Yes. Hence my change of the revised pairings: Newham, Barking & Dagenham: 4.07 quotas (4 seats). Redbridge & Havering: 5.07 quotas (5). East London (Waltham Forest, Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets): 8.90 quotas (9). Greenwich & Lewisham: 4.78 quotas (5). Bexley, Bromley & Croydon: 8.86 quotas (9). Lambeth & Southwark remain paired here but gain an extra seat overall, giving them 6 seats in total. They coalign surprisingly well with GLA single member constituencies. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 13, 2020 20:54:14 GMT
Yes. Hence my change of the revised pairings: Newham, Barking & Dagenham: 4.07 quotas (4 seats). Redbridge & Havering: 5.07 quotas (5). East London (Waltham Forest, Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets): 8.90 quotas (9). Greenwich & Lewisham: 4.78 quotas (5). Bexley, Bromley & Croydon: 8.86 quotas (9). Lambeth & Southwark remain paired here but gain an extra seat overall, giving them 6 seats in total. I wouldn't go for Havering and Redbridge personally. I know it's a GLA constituency but it's a ridiculous one - there aren't many links between the two and you're going to have an ugly protrusion in your cross-borough seat thanks to Chadwell Heath. Could you swap Redbridge with B&D? You could definitely make a case for a seat combining Manor Park and Ilford, while a cross border Havering-Dagenham seat has precedent and is pretty natural anyway. However, the numbers might not work for Newham and Redbridge. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 13, 2020 21:16:40 GMT
In addition to the above there's also not a great deal linking the two sides of the North Circular down here which would make a seat linking Barking to either Beckton or East Ham an utter all the bits left over monstrosity.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 13, 2020 22:09:49 GMT
Yes. Hence my change of the revised pairings: Newham, Barking & Dagenham: 4.07 quotas (4 seats). Redbridge & Havering: 5.07 quotas (5). East London (Waltham Forest, Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets): 8.90 quotas (9). Greenwich & Lewisham: 4.78 quotas (5). Bexley, Bromley & Croydon: 8.86 quotas (9). Lambeth & Southwark remain paired here but gain an extra seat overall, giving them 6 seats in total. I wouldn't go for Havering and Redbridge personally. I know it's a GLA constituency but it's a ridiculous one - there aren't many links between the two and you're going to have an ugly protrusion in your cross-borough seat thanks to Chadwell Heath. Could you swap Redbridge with B&D? You could definitely make a case for a seat combining Manor Park and Ilford, while a cross border Havering-Dagenham seat has precedent and is pretty natural anyway. However, the numbers might not work for Newham and Redbridge. They do work for Newham and Redbridge, thankfully, so the swap is an easy one. The "new" seat would in fact be Wanstead and Woodford. |
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Post by mattb on Jun 14, 2020 13:20:53 GMT
Hence my change of the revised pairings: Newham, Barking & Dagenham: 4.07 quotas (4 seats). Redbridge & Havering: 5.07 quotas (5). East London (Waltham Forest, Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets): 8.90 quotas (9). Greenwich & Lewisham: 4.78 quotas (5). Bexley, Bromley & Croydon: 8.86 quotas (9). Lambeth & Southwark remain paired here but gain an extra seat overall, giving them 6 seats in total. Presumably that means a seat crossing Hackney marshes? Not sure that's the best place to cross the Lea, to be honest. I think you want Islington/Hackney/Tower H/Newham (9.1 = 9 seats) and Havering/Barking&D/Redbridge/Waltham F (8.9 = 9 seats) |
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Post by mattb on Jun 14, 2020 14:49:19 GMT
Have you got the ward numbers to work with or are you basing it on the 2015 numbers in Boundary Assistant? Using the 2015 numbers the pattern was very similar except Essex kept 18 seats (which was also very difficult to fit). Suffolk/Norfolk worked well as you could give Suffolk an extra seat just by adding that part of Great Yarmouth which was formerly in Suffolk and again Cambridgeshire was good to stand alone with 8 seats. The Herts/Beds 18 seats worked well enough on the whole but the large size of some of the wards in Central Beds made it hard - the most logical cross county seat seemed to me to be one combining HItchin and Letchworth with the Alresley/Langford/ Stotfold area but it would have needed a ward-split to work on 2015 numbers I realise this may well all change with the March numbers but again just for fun here are possible schemes for Norfolk/Suffolk and Herts/Beds (using the Dec 2019 numbers). Norfolk & Suffolk
Great Yarmouth is the right size unchanged and Lowestoft can be pared down to quota as well, so the proposed cross-county seat is Newmarket & Thetford - no doubt there are other options but this maintains the basic scheme in Norfolk while in Suffolk it enabled me to get rid of the current horrible arrangement for Ipswich and replace it with Felixtowe & Ipswich E. The new mid-Suffolk is basically the successor of Bury St Edmunds without the town itself, which forms a new seat with Haverhill. Suffolk Coastal becomes East Suffolk.  Herts & BedsThe cross-county seat is Hitchin as suggested; that enables NE Beds and mid-Beds to shrink back to quota leaving Bedford unchanged (apart from new ward boundaries). The Luton seats can grow to take the excess electors from SW Beds. The additional seat is NW Herts combining Harpenden with Berkhamstead and Tring; leaving SW Herts greatly altered (both SW Herts and Watford are significantly over-quota and need to reduce). The rest of Herts needs minimal changes to ensure all seats within quota.  |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 14, 2020 15:52:31 GMT
Hence my change of the revised pairings: Newham, Barking & Dagenham: 4.07 quotas (4 seats). Redbridge & Havering: 5.07 quotas (5). East London (Waltham Forest, Hackney, Islington and Tower Hamlets): 8.90 quotas (9). Greenwich & Lewisham: 4.78 quotas (5). Bexley, Bromley & Croydon: 8.86 quotas (9). Lambeth & Southwark remain paired here but gain an extra seat overall, giving them 6 seats in total. Presumably that means a seat crossing Hackney marshes? Not sure that's the best place to cross the Lea, to be honest. I think you want Islington/Hackney/Tower H/Newham (9.1 = 9 seats) and Havering/Barking&D/Redbridge/Waltham F (8.9 = 9 seats) That would be just fine ............................. ........... if it wasn't for the 'ouses in between ........... |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2020 16:05:53 GMT
Presumably that means a seat crossing Hackney marshes? Not sure that's the best place to cross the Lea, to be honest. I think you want Islington/Hackney/Tower H/Newham (9.1 = 9 seats) and Havering/Barking&D/Redbridge/Waltham F (8.9 = 9 seats) That would be just fine ............................. ........... if it wasn't for the 'ouses in between ........... Please return the Forum's ladder and binoculars to the stores when you have finished with them.  |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 17, 2020 20:09:08 GMT
Here's a plan for Coventry, Warwickshire, and Solihull Borough, December 2019 electorates, 5% tolerance, quotas as for 650 seats. Solihull is a right pain, but pretty much everything in the plan is recognisable as a change to an existing constituency.
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Coventry is left entirely unchanged. Warwick and Leamington gains one ward, despite the current constituency being in quota. North Warwickshire, Nuneaton, and Rugby have only minor tweaks. I've moved various rural wards between Stratford-on-Avon and Kenilworth and Southam, but there's a lot of tweaking that could be done with the rural bits of South Warwickshire and I've not really played around with that area.
The most significant changes are with Solihull and Meriden.
Solihull loses Elmdon and Lyndon but gains Blythe Meriden gains Elmdon and Lyndon, loses Blythe to Solihull, and loses both Meriden and Dorridge & Hockley Heath to Kenilworth and Southam. Since it no longer contains Meriden itself it should probably get a rename (North Solihull?)
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Post by greenhert on Jun 17, 2020 22:00:50 GMT
Here's a plan for Coventry, Warwickshire, and Solihull Borough, December 2019 electorates, 5% tolerance, quotas as for 650 seats. Solihull is a right pain, but pretty much everything in the plan is recognisable as a change to an existing constituency.
[click image to embiggen]
Coventry is left entirely unchanged. Warwick and Leamington gains one ward, despite the current constituency being in quota. North Warwickshire, Nuneaton, and Rugby have only minor tweaks. I've moved various rural wards between Stratford-on-Avon and Kenilworth and Southam, but there's a lot of tweaking that could be done with the rural bits of South Warwickshire and I've not really played around with that area.
The most significant changes are with Solihull and Meriden.
Solihull loses Elmdon and Lyndon but gains Blythe Meriden gains Elmdon and Lyndon, loses Blythe to Solihull, and loses both Meriden and Dorridge & Hockley Heath to Kenilworth and Southam. Since it no longer contains Meriden itself it should probably get a rename (North Solihull?)
Castle Bromwich would be more appropriate since the hypothetical new seat in question contains no part of Solihull itself. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 17, 2020 22:29:36 GMT
Here's a plan for Coventry, Warwickshire, and Solihull Borough, December 2019 electorates, 5% tolerance, quotas as for 650 seats. Solihull is a right pain, but pretty much everything in the plan is recognisable as a change to an existing constituency.
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Coventry is left entirely unchanged. Warwick and Leamington gains one ward, despite the current constituency being in quota. North Warwickshire, Nuneaton, and Rugby have only minor tweaks. I've moved various rural wards between Stratford-on-Avon and Kenilworth and Southam, but there's a lot of tweaking that could be done with the rural bits of South Warwickshire and I've not really played around with that area.
The most significant changes are with Solihull and Meriden.
Solihull loses Elmdon and Lyndon but gains Blythe Meriden gains Elmdon and Lyndon, loses Blythe to Solihull, and loses both Meriden and Dorridge & Hockley Heath to Kenilworth and Southam. Since it no longer contains Meriden itself it should probably get a rename (North Solihull?)
Castle Bromwich would be more appropriate since the hypothetical new seat in question contains no part of Solihull itself. Elmdon and Lyndon wards are part of Solihull proper. And, of course, Chelmsley Wood is a much bigger area population-wise than Castle Brom. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 18, 2020 6:17:43 GMT
Here's a plan for Coventry, Warwickshire, and Solihull Borough, December 2019 electorates, 5% tolerance, quotas as for 650 seats. Solihull is a right pain, but pretty much everything in the plan is recognisable as a change to an existing constituency.
[click image to embiggen]
Coventry is left entirely unchanged. Warwick and Leamington gains one ward, despite the current constituency being in quota. North Warwickshire, Nuneaton, and Rugby have only minor tweaks. I've moved various rural wards between Stratford-on-Avon and Kenilworth and Southam, but there's a lot of tweaking that could be done with the rural bits of South Warwickshire and I've not really played around with that area.
The most significant changes are with Solihull and Meriden.
Solihull loses Elmdon and Lyndon but gains Blythe Meriden gains Elmdon and Lyndon, loses Blythe to Solihull, and loses both Meriden and Dorridge & Hockley Heath to Kenilworth and Southam. Since it no longer contains Meriden itself it should probably get a rename (North Solihull?)
Castle Bromwich would be more appropriate since the hypothetical new seat in question contains no part of Solihull itself. Ahem! West Bromwich West. |
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Post by andrewteale on Jun 18, 2020 8:11:46 GMT
Castle Bromwich would be more appropriate since the hypothetical new seat in question contains no part of Solihull itself. Ahem! West Bromwich West. Bury South (1983-2010). |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 18, 2020 8:47:40 GMT
How about calling it East Bromwich?
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 18, 2020 9:23:07 GMT
My suggestion to the last review was Arden (although admittedly that extended further south).
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 18, 2020 11:23:38 GMT
 A quick look of how things could end up in Birmingham Sutton Coldfield 75215 Birmingham Erdington 75551 Birmingham Perry Barr 73632 Birmingham Ladywood 72653 Birmingham Hodge Hill 71729 Birmingham Small Heath 70634 Birmingham Yardley 70460 Birmingham Hall Green 69307 Birmingham King's Heath 70071 Birmingham Northfield 76205 Birmingham Edgbaston 74295 |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 18, 2020 11:32:38 GMT
A quick look of how things could end up in Birmingham Birmingham Sutton Coldfield 75215 Birmingham Erdington 75551 Birmingham Perry Barr 73632 Birmingham Ladywood 72653 Birmingham Hodge Hill 71729 Birmingham Small Heath 70634 Birmingham Yardley 70460 Birmingham Hall Green 69307 Birmingham King's Heath 70071 Birmingham Northfield 76205 Birmingham Edgbaston 74295 Because why not, for consistency?  |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 18, 2020 11:54:35 GMT
A quick look of how things could end up in Birmingham Sutton Coldfield 75215 Birmingham Erdington 75551 Birmingham Perry Barr 73632 Birmingham Ladywood 72653 Birmingham Hodge Hill 71729 Birmingham Small Heath 70634 Birmingham Yardley 70460 Birmingham Hall Green 69307 Birmingham King's Heath 70071 Birmingham Northfield 76205 Birmingham Edgbaston 74295 Going that far over the Solihull border is going to have significant implications for Warwickshire. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 18, 2020 12:34:49 GMT
A quick look of how things could end up in Birmingham Sutton Coldfield 75215 Birmingham Erdington 75551 Birmingham Perry Barr 73632 Birmingham Ladywood 72653 Birmingham Hodge Hill 71729 Birmingham Small Heath 70634 Birmingham Yardley 70460 Birmingham Hall Green 69307 Birmingham King's Heath 70071 Birmingham Northfield 76205 Birmingham Edgbaston 74295 Going that far over the Solihull border is going to have significant implications for Warwickshire. I’ve yet to see pleasing plans for Warwickshire under any review. Any change at one half of the county echos down to the other. Including the rural part of the West Mids panhandle may help with this.. or it may not I’ll have to have a look later. Am currently most interested in getting Leeds & Birmingham right. |
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