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Post by John Chanin on Dec 31, 2020 9:49:13 GMT
Draft recommendations came out at the start of December for Rochdale: www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/north-west/greater-manchester/rochdaleThe main changes are in Middleton where the four wards keep their compass point names but rotate 90 degrees anti-clockwise. The proposed North Middleton ward (successor to West Middleton) has been drawn small to cater for future development. Alkrington is united in the proposed South Middleton ward (it's presently divided between South Middleton and East Middleton). The current basic ward pattern is retained in the rest of the borough with modifications. Consultations are due to start in January for Bolton, Bury and Oldham. In Bolton the LGBCE is minded to retain 60 councillors. That Hopwood ward is ridiculous. Surely there must be better options than hiving off part of north Middleton across the M62 into Heywood. Edit: despite as usual going into extensive discussion about community links elsewhere in Rochdale, the report has absolutely nothing to say about this ward. It is bizarre, even if a similar ward exists at present.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 31, 2020 9:56:19 GMT
Draft recommendations came out at the start of December for Rochdale: www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/north-west/greater-manchester/rochdaleThe main changes are in Middleton where the four wards keep their compass point names but rotate 90 degrees anti-clockwise. The proposed North Middleton ward (successor to West Middleton) has been drawn small to cater for future development. Alkrington is united in the proposed South Middleton ward (it's presently divided between South Middleton and East Middleton). The current basic ward pattern is retained in the rest of the borough with modifications. Consultations are due to start in January for Bolton, Bury and Oldham. In Bolton the LGBCE is minded to retain 60 councillors. That Hopwood ward is ridiculous. Surely there must be better options than hiving off part of north Middleton across the M62 into Heywood. It is like that now in the form of the Hopwood Hall ward but I agree it is a ridiculous arrangement. It also demonstrates well the folly of treating ward boundaries as sacrosanct in terms of drawing up Parliamentary boundaries. One can easily imagine a scenario where it might be desirable to put Heywood and Middleton in different constituencies (as before 1983) and in such a situation it would be highly desirable to split that ward even if it was not necessary to do so on the basis of the numbers
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Post by edgbaston on Dec 31, 2020 10:31:41 GMT
Draft recommendations came out at the start of December for Rochdale: www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/north-west/greater-manchester/rochdaleThe main changes are in Middleton where the four wards keep their compass point names but rotate 90 degrees anti-clockwise. The proposed North Middleton ward (successor to West Middleton) has been drawn small to cater for future development. Alkrington is united in the proposed South Middleton ward (it's presently divided between South Middleton and East Middleton). The current basic ward pattern is retained in the rest of the borough with modifications. Consultations are due to start in January for Bolton, Bury and Oldham. In Bolton the LGBCE is minded to retain 60 councillors. That Hopwood ward is ridiculous. Surely there must be better options than hiving off part of north Middleton across the M62 into Heywood. Not without destroying the casteton ward which is quite nice or reducing the number of Cllrs per ward
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 31, 2020 10:59:28 GMT
That Hopwood ward is ridiculous. Surely there must be better options than hiving off part of north Middleton across the M62 into Heywood. Not without destroying the castleton ward which is quite nice or reducing the number of Cllrs per ward Yep, 3 2-member wards should do the job. The LGBCE has moving away from a uniform pattern of 3 member wards and quite rightly too.
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Post by European Lefty on Dec 31, 2020 11:01:04 GMT
That Hopwood ward is ridiculous. Surely there must be better options than hiving off part of north Middleton across the M62 into Heywood. Not without destroying the casteton ward which is quite nice or reducing the number of Cllrs per ward Surely the whole point of a block vote system is to give you more latitude with numbers so you can prioritise sensible arrangements?
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Post by edgbaston on Dec 31, 2020 11:05:55 GMT
Not without destroying the castleton ward which is quite nice or reducing the number of Cllrs per ward Yep, 3 2-member wards should do the job. The LGBCE has moving away from a uniform pattern of 3 member wards and quite rightly too. not in areas which wish to continue the election by thirds system. In many areas this works well and the voters and Cllrs wish to keep it Not without destroying the casteton ward which is quite nice or reducing the number of Cllrs per ward Surely the whole point of a block vote system is to give you more latitude with numbers so you can prioritise sensible arrangements? Not in the metropolitan boroughs where the aim was always election by thirds with the (now abolished) metropolitan county council election in the 4th year
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Post by European Lefty on Dec 31, 2020 11:32:06 GMT
Yep, 3 2-member wards should do the job. The LGBCE has moving away from a uniform pattern of 3 member wards and quite rightly too. not in areas which wish to continue the election by thirds system. In many areas this works well and the voters and Cllrs wish to keep it Surely the whole point of a block vote system is to give you more latitude with numbers so you can prioritise sensible arrangements? Not in the metropolitan boroughs where the aim was always election by thirds with the (now abolished) metropolitan county council election in the 4th year There doesn't seem to be much point now though, and Rotherham, Doncaster and Birmingham have already moved away. And plenty of of authorities have elections by thirds without a uniform number of councillors per ward - Harrogate, Craven, Wokingham, Slough, Plymouth, N Herts to name just a few
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Post by edgbaston on Dec 31, 2020 11:37:32 GMT
not in areas which wish to continue the election by thirds system. In many areas this works well and the voters and Cllrs wish to keep it Not in the metropolitan boroughs where the aim was always election by thirds with the (now abolished) metropolitan county council election in the 4th year There doesn't seem to be much point now though, and Rotherham, Doncaster and Birmingham have already moved away. And plenty of of authorities have elections by thirds without a uniform number of councillors per ward - Harrogate, Craven, Wokingham, Slough, Plymouth, N Herts to name just a few Just because three authorities in my view make an error, the damage of another doing the same is not lessoned. What happened in Birmingham was in particular a piece of electoral vandalism.
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Post by andrewteale on Dec 31, 2020 12:00:51 GMT
not in areas which wish to continue the election by thirds system. In many areas this works well and the voters and Cllrs wish to keep it Not in the metropolitan boroughs where the aim was always election by thirds with the (now abolished) metropolitan county council election in the 4th year There doesn't seem to be much point now though, and Rotherham, Doncaster and Birmingham have already moved away. And plenty of of authorities have elections by thirds without a uniform number of councillors per ward - Harrogate, Craven, Wokingham, Slough, Plymouth, N Herts to name just a few Not Harrogate - that district now has whole council elections in single-member wards. The only other one in that list that has had a boundary review in recent years is Slough, and the LGBCE were not happy about the single-member and two-member ward there.
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Post by mattb on Dec 31, 2020 18:57:19 GMT
There doesn't seem to be much point now though, and Rotherham, Doncaster and Birmingham have already moved away. And plenty of of authorities have elections by thirds without a uniform number of councillors per ward - Harrogate, Craven, Wokingham, Slough, Plymouth, N Herts to name just a few Not Harrogate - that district now has whole council elections in single-member wards. The only other one in that list that has had a boundary review in recent years is Slough, and the LGBCE were not happy about the single-member and two-member ward there. The recent review for St Albans has created a mix of 1-, 2- and 3-member wards for a council with elections by thirds. All the initial representations assumed the commission would insist on uniform 3-member wards, so the final scheme is largely a creation of the commission themselves (!).
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 31, 2020 19:18:17 GMT
Not Harrogate - that district now has whole council elections in single-member wards. The only other one in that list that has had a boundary review in recent years is Slough, and the LGBCE were not happy about the single-member and two-member ward there. The recent review for St Albans has created a mix of 1-, 2- and 3-member wards for a council with elections by thirds. All the initial representations assumed the commission would insist on uniform 3-member wards, so the final scheme is largely a creation of the commission themselves (!). Which makes it all the more regrettable that Three Rivers was forced into three member wards which made for such a god awful mess there
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Post by Foggy on Dec 31, 2020 21:39:38 GMT
There doesn't seem to be much point now though, and Rotherham, Doncaster and Birmingham have already moved away. And plenty of of authorities have elections by thirds without a uniform number of councillors per ward - Harrogate, Craven, Wokingham, Slough, Plymouth, N Herts to name just a few Just because three authorities in my view make an error, the damage of another doing the same is not lessoned. What happened in Birmingham was in particular a piece of electoral vandalism. I think you mean lessened. If you want electoral data every year, then the solution is uniform four-year terms for three-tier local government in England, with a UK general election in the fallow year. All-outs are the way to go. If you still have a hankering for partial election at some level, then you should campaign to revive the draft bill for reform of the House of Lords.
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Post by European Lefty on Dec 31, 2020 22:03:58 GMT
There doesn't seem to be much point now though, and Rotherham, Doncaster and Birmingham have already moved away. And plenty of of authorities have elections by thirds without a uniform number of councillors per ward - Harrogate, Craven, Wokingham, Slough, Plymouth, N Herts to name just a few Just because three authorities in my view make an error, the damage of another doing the same is not lessoned. What happened in Birmingham was in particular a piece of electoral vandalism. I don't see what's so problematic about an uneven number of councillors per ward as long as the rough number of councillors per voter stays the same
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 1, 2021 2:44:44 GMT
Just because three authorities in my view make an error, the damage of another doing the same is not lessoned. What happened in Birmingham was in particular a piece of electoral vandalism. I don't see what's so problematic about an uneven number of councillors per ward as long as the rough number of councillors per voter stays the same Edgbaston was talking about the councils that moved away from thirds (in one case not by choice), not the councils which have uneven numbers of electors between wards.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jan 11, 2021 21:28:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 22:13:43 GMT
Very fine choice of a ward called Pennington.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 12, 2021 20:39:17 GMT
Final recommendations for Central Bedfordshire, Mid Devon and North Kesteven have been published, along with new draft recommendations for Havering.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jan 12, 2021 22:01:55 GMT
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Post by afleitch on Jan 14, 2021 12:49:35 GMT
Public consultation for Highland, Argyll and Bute and North Ayrshire closing soon. I decided to respond in support of some but against a few wards that had stupid reasoning
'Isle of Bute only gets 2 councillors and no special geographic consideration as it's well connected by ferry.'
Yes. To a different fucking council to the one it's in.
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Post by bjornhattan on Jan 14, 2021 12:59:42 GMT
Public consultation for Highland, Argyll and Bute and North Ayrshire closing soon. I decided to respond in support of some but against a few wards that had stupid reasoning 'Isle of Bute only gets 2 councillors and no special geographic consideration as it's well connected by ferry.' Yes. To a different fucking council to the one it's in. Isn't there a regular ferry from the northern end of Bute to Colintraive? Granted it's a long way from any of the main towns in the council area, but would still be within Argyll and Bute.
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