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Post by Foggy on Dec 6, 2024 1:32:06 GMT
Strange that it doesn't just include all of South Ribble if it includes most of it. Suppose they wanted to specifically exclude Leyland. Exclude Leyland? Now that would be just plain DAFt. |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 6, 2024 4:45:13 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 6, 2024 11:26:14 GMT
Not to mention that the site is totally unreadable once you disable adblocker (which you are required to do in order to read the article ) |
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Post by johnloony on Dec 6, 2024 12:11:25 GMT
STOP BEING OBSESSED WITH 1974 BOUNDARIES!!! If I had to rearrange the Northwest into unitary authorities I'd probably go for something like this. The chances of something like this happening are very low though!  Those names are not bonctilious enough. They should be based on towns and cities, not chunks of the county name. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 6, 2024 17:16:18 GMT
Not to mention that the site is totally unreadable once you disable adblocker (which you are required to do in order to read the article ) It's one of the worst for ads, videos, pop-ups and digital gunk. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 9, 2024 21:14:59 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 9, 2024 21:22:02 GMT
But Warrington is historically in Lancashire.
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Post by carolus on Dec 9, 2024 22:46:11 GMT
Really a sign that unitarisation has worked well if you're inventing a new layer of government that sits above the three councils in Cheshire, covering the county area. I wonder whether anything similar to that has ever been tried before? |
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Post by john07 on Dec 10, 2024 2:40:51 GMT
But Warrington is historically in Lancashire. The problem was that Warrington, not a Metropolitan area, was cut off from Lancashire by Wigan (Greater Manchester) and St Helens (Merseyside). So the only options were to join Cheshire or Merseyside or Greater Manchester. Widnes was in a similar position. It would have made more sense to put Widnes on Merseyside and Warrington in Greater Manchester. |
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Post by ilerda on Dec 10, 2024 7:55:00 GMT
But Warrington is historically in Lancashire. Even if that is the case, the majority of people living there probably have no real recollection of it being administratively in Lancashire, given how long ago it was removed. And I'm sure the people of Warrington are good natured and foreward thinking enough to accept that just calling it Cheshire is a sensible and unthreatening proposal. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 10, 2024 8:09:59 GMT
But Warrington is historically in Lancashire. Even if that is the case, the majority of people living there probably have no real recollection of it being administratively in Lancashire, given how long ago it was removed. And I'm sure the people of Warrington are good natured and foreward thinking enough to accept that just calling it Cheshire is a sensible and unthreatening proposal. Don't tell the traditional counties campaigners that! |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 10, 2024 9:24:00 GMT
But Warrington is historically in Lancashire. The problem was that Warrington, not a Metropolitan area, was cut off from Lancashire by Wigan (Greater Manchester) and St Helens (Merseyside). So the only options were to join Cheshire or Merseyside or Greater Manchester. Widnes was in a similar position. It would have made more sense to put Widnes on Merseyside and Warrington in Greater Manchester. Well, Widnes and Runcorn are now in "Merseyside" eg Liverpool City Region. |
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Post by ilerda on Dec 10, 2024 12:53:01 GMT
Even if that is the case, the majority of people living there probably have no real recollection of it being administratively in Lancashire, given how long ago it was removed. And I'm sure the people of Warrington are good natured and foreward thinking enough to accept that just calling it Cheshire is a sensible and unthreatening proposal. Don't tell the traditional counties campaigners that! For the record I love traditional counties. I think they're great for sport and culture and heritage and identity. I just think they're totally incompatible with and unsuitable for local administration these days. |
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Post by edgbaston on Dec 10, 2024 18:58:25 GMT
www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/kirkleesKirklees published. MASSIVE improvement but they’ve chickened out in a couple of places and left large near 10 point variations in size in about 5 wards. Only partisan implications overall would be that Colne Valley East (a renamed Golcar) is in theory now slightly better for Labour and worse for the Lib Dems.
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Post by bjornhattan on Dec 11, 2024 9:43:44 GMT
www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/kirkleesKirklees published. MASSIVE improvement but they’ve chickened out in a couple of places and left large near 10 point variations in size in about 5 wards. Only partisan implications overall would be that Colne Valley East (a renamed Golcar) is in theory now slightly better for Labour and worse for the Lib Dems. I've not done the sums but it looks like Crosland Moor (which loses Netherton and gains some inner urban territory - both from/to Newsome) becomes significantly more Muslim. This doesn't necessarily have any direct partisan impact, but depending on exactly where the Green vote came from and the nature of any continued Labour backlash in that community could make it a more marginal ward. |
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Post by nyx on Dec 11, 2024 10:11:49 GMT
Don't tell the traditional counties campaigners that! For the record I love traditional counties. I think they're great for sport and culture and heritage and identity. I just think they're totally incompatible with and unsuitable for local administration these days. In some cases I agree (Saddleworth is never going to make sense governed from Yorkshire) but in others not– aside from the very eastern bit near Ashton under Lyne the Lancashire–Cheshire border works fine as an administrative boundary. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 11, 2024 10:26:37 GMT
For the record I love traditional counties. I think they're great for sport and culture and heritage and identity. I just think they're totally incompatible with and unsuitable for local administration these days. In some cases I agree (Saddleworth is never going to make sense governed from Yorkshire) but in others not– aside from the very eastern bit near Ashton under Lyne the Lancashire–Cheshire border works fine as an administrative boundary. Liverpool City Region is fine - but I think that West Lancashire should be in the City Region. Ormskirk is becoming more Liverpool and Skem is Scouse, the local accent is the same. |
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Post by edgbaston on Dec 11, 2024 10:32:25 GMT
www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/kirkleesKirklees published. MASSIVE improvement but they’ve chickened out in a couple of places and left large near 10 point variations in size in about 5 wards. Only partisan implications overall would be that Colne Valley East (a renamed Golcar) is in theory now slightly better for Labour and worse for the Lib Dems. I've not done the sums but it looks like Crosland Moor (which loses Netherton and gains some inner urban territory - both from/to Newsome) becomes significantly more Muslim. This doesn't necessarily have any direct partisan impact, but depending on exactly where the Green vote came from and the nature of any continued Labour backlash in that community could make it a more marginal ward. Netherton tended to vote Tory historically, Labour in a good year. Then this year more Green (bar charts -> herding against Labour) However the area that has come into the ward also has a Labour/Green split voting incumbency (since Gaza), so while the average Tory vote will be down to more like 5-10% the overall partisan implications in terms of the winner will be very little. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 11, 2024 12:33:55 GMT
In some cases I agree (Saddleworth is never going to make sense governed from Yorkshire) but in others not– aside from the very eastern bit near Ashton under Lyne the Lancashire–Cheshire border works fine as an administrative boundary. Liverpool City Region is fine - but I think that West Lancashire should be in the City Region. Ormskirk is becoming more Liverpool and Skem is Scouse, the local accent is the same. Weren't a lot of the Skelmersdale New Town arrivals actually from Liverpool? |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 11, 2024 12:39:19 GMT
Liverpool City Region is fine - but I think that West Lancashire should be in the City Region. Ormskirk is becoming more Liverpool and Skem is Scouse, the local accent is the same. Weren't a lot of the Skelmersdale New Town arrivals actually from Liverpool? Yes! Remember Blood Brothers? |
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