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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 11, 2023 10:55:31 GMT
Possibly the Barnsley/Sheffield changes need to wait until the main parliamentary review has been passed?
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 16, 2023 11:10:21 GMT
So I'm involved in Lincoln politics and as a boundary geek was looking at the boundaries between wards to see if there's any peculiarities. Well I seem to have found one that I could use some extra eyes to look at. The boundary between Abbey and Glebe wards runs behind the houses on Bunkers Hill. There is a small cul de sac called Poplars Grove off Bunkers Hill which on the map referred to in the boundary change law from 2015 is in Glebe ward as below. www.lgbce.org.uk/all-reviews/lincolnHowever the City of Lincoln Council has put Poplars Grove in Abbey Ward ever since that review. As seen in the review of polling districts from last month: www.lincoln.gov.uk/voting-elections/review-polling-districts-polling-placesThis seems a pretty clear cut case and though it may only be 20-30 voters on Poplars Grove, in a close election (in 2021 the winner of Glebe Ward won by 28 votes) it could make the difference. Plus the law should be followed. Do others agree with my analysis and if so what is the best way of getting this fixed?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 16, 2023 12:06:34 GMT
I beleive the maps are the definitive defintion of ward boundaries, not the text.
Check the council's electoral register for the actual entries, and if the properties on Poplars Grove are listed in the wrong PD/Ward, inform the elections office with a reference to the commission report.
We had a similar issue in Walkley in Sheffield for ages. The boundary ran along the centre of Fulton Road, yet at one end six houses on the "wrong" side were put in Walkley. Also, at the other end of the ward, one block of flats in Liberty Hill was put in South Wortley - which was also over a parish boundary!
Ditto in Whitby - boundary down middle of road, both sides put in same ward.
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 16, 2023 14:35:58 GMT
The voters in Poplars Grove all have polling numbers for Abbey Ward so they are definitely incorrect. I'll send an email to electoral services. Should be in time for next May's elections at least.
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 17, 2023 4:13:13 GMT
I beleive the maps are the definitive defintion of ward boundaries, not the text. Check the council's electoral register for the actual entries, and if the properties on Poplars Grove are listed in the wrong PD/Ward, inform the elections office with a reference to the commission report. We had a similar issue in Walkley in Sheffield for ages. The boundary ran along the centre of Fulton Road, yet at one end six houses on the "wrong" side were put in Walkley. Also, at the other end of the ward, one block of flats in Liberty Hill was put in South Wortley - which was also over a parish boundary! Ditto in Whitby - boundary down middle of road, both sides put in same ward. That’s terrible!
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on Nov 17, 2023 9:27:53 GMT
I don't think this has been posted, but there are now draft recommendations for Oxfordshire.
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Post by carolus on Nov 17, 2023 9:38:52 GMT
I don't think this has been posted, but there are now draft recommendations for Oxfordshire. Proposing 69 councillors, in 69 single member divisions. Currently 63 councillors with 59 single and 2 dual member divisions.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 17, 2023 11:02:31 GMT
I don't think this has been posted, but there are now draft recommendations for Oxfordshire. Those are some impressively terrible boundaries, especially the three-way slice and dice of Carterton.
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on Nov 17, 2023 11:07:25 GMT
I don't think this has been posted, but there are now draft recommendations for Oxfordshire. Those are some impressively terrible boundaries, especially the three-way slice and dice of Carterton. To slice a small town in three does seem rather excessive! As I am busy with other things, I am going to limit my response to the LGBCE to only the Vale area, which I know best. That said, on the whole, the Vale looks far better than West Oxfordshire does!
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Post by ilerda on Nov 17, 2023 11:31:30 GMT
Tangentially, I've always found the difference in rural ward size in Cherwell compared to West Oxfordshire particularly annoying when it comes to drawing up constituencies there. Like in Northamptonshire, I just don't think really large rural wards work well for any purpose.
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Post by bjornhattan on Nov 17, 2023 11:38:47 GMT
I don't think this has been posted, but there are now draft recommendations for Oxfordshire. In the city, they seem to have crossed rivers far too much. I don't know the exact numbers so I'm not sure whether it would exactly work, but instead of having three divisions entirely west of the Cherwell/Thames and two which span this major divide, it should be possible to have four divisions in the distinct west of Oxford. The two north Oxford divisions could remain unchanged, and then you would have an Osney and Hinksey Park division (less horrible than it sounds - especially as the Oxpens redevelopment will make this a much more contiguous area in the coming years) and a Central division (probably including Jericho to keep the numbers up). Their Bartlemas division could then be split with some of it going with the Iffley Fields/Donnington area and some of it going with St Clements - all of these areas being seen as part of the East Oxford community around the Cowley Road to a greater or lesser extent. I'll look into it more but it appears the council took a minimum change approach (which the commission then adopted), which has led to some slightly odd choices in urban Oxford.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 17, 2023 17:47:36 GMT
I beleive the maps are the definitive defintion of ward boundaries, not the text. Check the council's electoral register for the actual entries, and if the properties on Poplars Grove are listed in the wrong PD/Ward, inform the elections office with a reference to the commission report. We had a similar issue in Walkley in Sheffield for ages. The boundary ran along the centre of Fulton Road, yet at one end six houses on the "wrong" side were put in Walkley. Also, at the other end of the ward, one block of flats in Liberty Hill was put in South Wortley - which was also over a parish boundary! Ditto in Whitby - boundary down middle of road, both sides put in same ward. That’s terrible! I've checked the map I sent to the elections office, and it was only five house (2-6 Spring Hill Terrace) on one side, with a matching error of fives houses (1-5 Bobbie's Bank) on the other side. Recently, just after the borough ward review, I found four properties scattered across the Whitby end of the borough that were the wrong side of a boundary. One an easy error as it's a newly-built estate that's rolled over the boundary at The Garth, but one other was mixing up Polgate Way with Polgate Farm ten miles away! (name slightly obscured). The other two I think must have been "the caravan park at Glen Esk. No not the Glen Esk Road caravan park, the caravan park on Glen Esk Road" type errors.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 17, 2023 17:49:18 GMT
The voters in Poplars Grove all have polling numbers for Abbey Ward so they are definitely incorrect. I'll send an email to electoral services. Should be in time for next May's elections at least. Should be *just* in time for the new register being compiled this month. Best time to send corrections is Sep/Oct so it gets cleanly rolled into the new annual register.
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Post by YL on Nov 17, 2023 17:59:09 GMT
Their Barnsley page doesn't even have the mapping tool at all. Nor does it have the electorate figures yet, and this for a consultation which supposedly started on Tuesday. Speaking of Barnsley, does anybody ( ilerda ?) know what has happened about the proposal, which the LGBCE produced recommendations for, to re-align the Barnsley/Sheffield boundary in the Oughtibridge Mill area? I was also very confused by the Barnsley page. Totally useless to anyone trying to participate, so not sure why they’ve done it. Although I do know the Council and councillors have been aware it’s coming for some time now. As for the principal area boundary review, I’ve heard nothing since the LGBCE published their final recommendations. It may be that it’s slipped out as an SI without anyone noticing, but I’ll certainly do some digging. The Barnsley page does now have the mapping tool and some electorate figures, though there is at least one (minor, hopefully: an East/West mix-up with Tankersley's parish wards) mistake. The electorate forecasts have some quite striking growth in some parts of the borough; however it's clear both from the mapping and the numbers that the left bank part of Oughtibridge Mill is no longer regarded as Barnsley.
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Post by loderingo on Nov 21, 2023 22:37:29 GMT
They are now seeking submissions for Wakefield. In theory, it shouldn't be that hard with Wakefield proper losing a councillor and the NE of the borough gaining one, but it's likely a bit more awkward due to uniform 3 councillor wards and quit a lot of urban area.
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Post by YL on Nov 22, 2023 20:29:50 GMT
They are now seeking submissions for Wakefield. In theory, it shouldn't be that hard with Wakefield proper losing a councillor and the NE of the borough gaining one, but it's likely a bit more awkward due to uniform 3 councillor wards and quit a lot of urban area. Although there are two oversized wards (Pontefract North and Altofts & Whitwood) in the NE, the area as a whole isn't actually that under-represented, because there are smaller wards (in particular Airedale & Ferry Fryston and Knottingley) as well. If you maintain the link of Altofts to west Castleford, and while it isn't a particularly natural link I don't see an obviously better alternative, I think you can deal with the excess electorate in Altofts & Whitwood by shifting both boundaries in Castleford westwards a little. Similarly the excess size of Pontefract North can be dealt with by moving some territory to South, though I'd probably suggest trimming the more rural southern end of the latter a bit. I'd leave Knottingley alone in spite of its lowish electorate, as I don't think it's low enough (at least in the forecast figures) to justify hacking a bit of Pontefract or Castleford into it. As for Wakefield proper, I think I'd look at adding Durkar (or maybe one of the other bits of Crigglestone parish) to Wakefield South, with some further adjustments to the other wards to bring the other undersized ward, Wakefield West up to quota. That takes Wakefield Rural's electorate down, but you can bring it back up to something not too far below quota by adding the parishes of Notton and Chevet from Crofton et al, which could then take either Sharlston from Featherstone or South Hiendley from Hemsworth. (Is there a better name than "Wakefield Rural"? The Crigglestone bits aren't that rural, and the bits of the ward that are are hardly the only rural bits of the borough.) The remaining wards don't need much adjustment beyond a bit of tidying up. Unfortunately the South Kirkby/Moorthorpe/South Elmsall urban area is still a bit too big for a ward, as is Ossett.
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 28, 2023 19:22:17 GMT
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Post by YL on Nov 28, 2023 20:37:17 GMT
The most striking change seems to be that Thornton & Allerton and Clayton & Fairweather Green wards are broken up and put back together as Thornton & Clayton and Allerton & Fairweather Green. Other changes: - Addingham moved from Craven (renamed Silsden & Steeton, the other way round to the railway station) to Ilkley (renamed Ilkley & Addingham), with the latter donating an area in eastern Ilkley near Ben Rhydding station to Wharfedale (not renamed) - Denholme moved from Bingley Rural to Worth Valley - Baildon ward takes some of the Eldwick area on the fringes of Bingley and is renamed Baildon & Eldwick - Wyke loses the area around Odsal Stadium to Wibsey (renamed Wibsey & Odsal) and in turn is extended rather awkwardly across the M606 to take an area from Tong, and is renamed Wyke & Bierley Woods; Tong in turn takes an area from Bowling & Barkerend (similar to the bit of that ward the BCE have added to Bradford South constituency) - Heaton renamed Heaton & Frizinghall, but with no boundary change - Manningham extends more into the city centre
There are no or only minor changes to other wards, including Crimson King 's ward.
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 28, 2023 22:57:03 GMT
The most striking change seems to be that Thornton & Allerton and Clayton & Fairweather Green wards are broken up and put back together as Thornton & Clayton and Allerton & Fairweather Green. Other changes: - Addingham moved from Craven (renamed Silsden & Steeton, the other way round to the railway station) to Ilkley (renamed Ilkley & Addingham), with the latter donating an area in eastern Ilkley near Ben Rhydding station to Wharfedale (not renamed) - Denholme moved from Bingley Rural to Worth Valley - Baildon ward takes some of the Eldwick area on the fringes of Bingley and is renamed Baildon & Eldwick - Wyke loses the area around Odsal Stadium to Wibsey (renamed Wibsey & Odsal) and in turn is extended rather awkwardly across the M606 to take an area from Tong, and is renamed Wyke & Bierley Woods; Tong in turn takes an area from Bowling & Barkerend (similar to the bit of that ward the BCE have added to Bradford South constituency) - Heaton renamed Heaton & Frizinghall, but with no boundary change - Manningham extends more into the city centre
There are no or only minor changes to other wards, including Crimson King 's ward. thanks for the summary Clayton and fairweather green was always a bit odd
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Post by bjornhattan on Nov 28, 2023 23:26:31 GMT
The most striking change seems to be that Thornton & Allerton and Clayton & Fairweather Green wards are broken up and put back together as Thornton & Clayton and Allerton & Fairweather Green. Other changes: - Addingham moved from Craven (renamed Silsden & Steeton, the other way round to the railway station) to Ilkley (renamed Ilkley & Addingham), with the latter donating an area in eastern Ilkley near Ben Rhydding station to Wharfedale (not renamed) - Denholme moved from Bingley Rural to Worth Valley - Baildon ward takes some of the Eldwick area on the fringes of Bingley and is renamed Baildon & Eldwick - Wyke loses the area around Odsal Stadium to Wibsey (renamed Wibsey & Odsal) and in turn is extended rather awkwardly across the M606 to take an area from Tong, and is renamed Wyke & Bierley Woods; Tong in turn takes an area from Bowling & Barkerend (similar to the bit of that ward the BCE have added to Bradford South constituency) - Heaton renamed Heaton & Frizinghall, but with no boundary change - Manningham extends more into the city centre
There are no or only minor changes to other wards, including Crimson King 's ward. thanks for the summary Clayton and fairweather green was always a bit odd Perhaps those elements were fair weather friends?
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