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Post by finsobruce on Aug 18, 2019 11:16:51 GMT
Oh! Large double deep Belfast sinks of course! The Ian is a good one but the best is an Arlene. The Arlene provides hot water via renewable heat: that is why it is best (but caveat emptor) It also has the largest overflow (for cash). |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 18, 2019 13:02:39 GMT
Criminal charges hanging over him? He is also innocent until proven guilty. yellowperil , if you are implying what I believe, look at my avatar. So what criminal charges were hanging over Maggie, exactly?  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 18, 2019 13:07:20 GMT
I recall a story from my Worksop days, relating to the Duke of Portland coming back from shooting in Scotland and arranging for his car to be driven onto the platform at Waverley to take the train down to Doncaster when he was met by the same car and taken home to Worksop. He said to his butler. "Well that was a great improvement. Much more relaxing and I took lunch. It was excellent. We must do that again." The butler and the chauffeur had driven out of Waverley and hammered down the prewar A1 to Doncaster without a break and despite hours of dangerous high speed driving only just made it for the Doncaster collect because of slow running by the train between Durham and Darlington and a long signal check just south of York! Sounds like the sort of thing the current heir to the throne might do. Keen environmentalist you know. And to understand how planes might affect the environment, he has hired a private jet to Ibiza. |
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Post by john07 on Aug 18, 2019 16:04:33 GMT
In the old days you would have got your Butler to take your Belfast or London to the Shetlands. I recall a story from my Worksop days, relating to the Duke of Portland coming back from shooting in Scotland and arranging for his car to be driven onto the platform at Waverley to take the train down to Doncaster when he was met by the same car and taken home to Worksop. He said to his butler. "Well that was a great improvement. Much more relaxing and I took lunch. It was excellent. We must do that again." The butler and the chauffeur had driven out of Waverley and hammered down the prewar A1 to Doncaster without a break and despite hours of dangerous high speed driving only just made it for the Doncaster collect because of slow running by the train between Durham and Darlington and a long signal check just south of York! That reminds me of an incident when I was on the council in Coventry. The cruise ship Uganda had been requisitioned during the Falklands War for use as a troop ship. It was later converted back to its use as s School cruise ship. The work was done in South Shields and it had to sail back to Southampton to treasure its service. Because of the loss of HMS Coventry and HMS Sheffield during the Falklands War, P & O offered a mini cruise to school children in Coventry and Sheffield from South Shields to Southampton. Sheffield declined to take part but Coventry accepted. As a member of the Education Planning Committee, I got an invite on the junket, I mean, trip. I think that the we (the Councillors involved) travelled by coach to South Shields and were picked up by another coach at Southampton to travel back to Coventry. That was all expect for the Lord Mayor who travelled in his Mayoral limousine to South Shields. The chauffeur then had to drive down to Southampton to pick him up! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 18, 2019 16:31:04 GMT
I recall a story from my Worksop days, relating to the Duke of Portland coming back from shooting in Scotland and arranging for his car to be driven onto the platform at Waverley to take the train down to Doncaster when he was met by the same car and taken home to Worksop. He said to his butler. "Well that was a great improvement. Much more relaxing and I took lunch. It was excellent. We must do that again." The butler and the chauffeur had driven out of Waverley and hammered down the prewar A1 to Doncaster without a break and despite hours of dangerous high speed driving only just made it for the Doncaster collect because of slow running by the train between Durham and Darlington and a long signal check just south of York! That reminds me of an incident when I was on the council in Coventry. The cruise ship Uganda had been requisitioned during the Falklands War for use as a troop ship. It was later converted back to its use as s School cruise ship. The work was done in South Shields and it had to sail back to Southampton to treasure its service. Because of the loss of HMS Coventry and HMS Sheffield during the Falklands War, P & O offered a mini cruise to school children in Coventry and Sheffield from South Shields to Southampton. Sheffield declined to take part but Coventry accepted. As a member of the Education Planning Committee, I got an invite on the junket, I mean, trip. I think that the we (the Councillors involved) travelled by coach to South Shields and were picked up by another coach at Southampton to travel back to Coventry. That was all expect for the Lord Mayor who travelled in his Mayoral limousine to South Shields. The chauffeur then had to drive down to Southampton to pick him up! I seem to recall a Crewe & Nantwich Mayor who, invited to a Buck House garden party, went up by train but insisted on the Mayoral Rolls transporting him from the hotel to the Palace. 300 miles to provide a 5-6 mile journey. Needless to say, we made hay with it ... |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 18, 2019 21:37:04 GMT
In the old days you would have got your Butler to take your Belfast or London to the Shetlands. I recall a story from my Worksop days, relating to the Duke of Portland I must get round to visiting the Dukeries. The Duke of Portland owned Welbeck Abbey didn't he? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 18, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
I recall a story from my Worksop days, relating to the Duke of Portland I must get round to visiting the Dukeries. The Duke of Portland owned Welbeck Abbey didn't he? The Duchy of Portland is currently extinct, and the title has reverted to the Earldom of Portland. The current Earl of Portland is Timothy Bentinck, better known as David Archer, from the well-known Radio 4 serial drama. |
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 19, 2019 7:03:34 GMT
That reminds me of an incident when I was on the council in Coventry. The cruise ship Uganda had been requisitioned during the Falklands War for use as a troop ship. It was later converted back to its use as s School cruise ship. The work was done in South Shields and it had to sail back to Southampton to treasure its service. Because of the loss of HMS Coventry and HMS Sheffield during the Falklands War, P & O offered a mini cruise to school children in Coventry and Sheffield from South Shields to Southampton. Sheffield declined to take part but Coventry accepted. As a member of the Education Planning Committee, I got an invite on the junket, I mean, trip. I think that the we (the Councillors involved) travelled by coach to South Shields and were picked up by another coach at Southampton to travel back to Coventry. That was all expect for the Lord Mayor who travelled in his Mayoral limousine to South Shields. The chauffeur then had to drive down to Southampton to pick him up! I seem to recall a Crewe & Nantwich Mayor who, invited to a Buck House garden party, went up by train but insisted on the Mayoral Rolls transporting him from the hotel to the Palace. 300 miles to provide a 5-6 mile journey. Needless to say, we made hay with it ... Do people in Crewe say "up to London"? I know that is the habit down south, but in Yorkshire it is normally "down to London", reflecting the inferior status of that place, probably.. (well in Sheffield one would also say "By heck, tha's never moving down south?") |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 19, 2019 7:42:23 GMT
I seem to recall a Crewe & Nantwich Mayor who, invited to a Buck House garden party, went up by train but insisted on the Mayoral Rolls transporting him from the hotel to the Palace. 300 miles to provide a 5-6 mile journey. Needless to say, we made hay with it ... Do people in Crewe say "up to London"? I know that is the habit down south, but in Yorkshire it is normally "down to London", reflecting the inferior status of that place, probably.. (well in Sheffield one would also say "By heck, tha's never moving down south?") It's standard railway usage to say "up" to London from anywhere - the "up" platform, where there are only two, will be for London-bound services, and this will probably be numbered 1, with platform 2 being the "down" platform. How this works on lines that don't go to London at all is up to local custom and practice. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 19, 2019 10:58:05 GMT
I seem to recall a Crewe & Nantwich Mayor who, invited to a Buck House garden party, went up by train but insisted on the Mayoral Rolls transporting him from the hotel to the Palace. 300 miles to provide a 5-6 mile journey. Needless to say, we made hay with it ... Do people in Crewe say "up to London"? I know that is the habit down south, but in Yorkshire it is normally "down to London", reflecting the inferior status of that place, probably.. (well in Sheffield one would also say "By heck, tha's never moving down south?") Railwaymen do. And there are a lot of us in Crewe.  |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 19, 2019 11:14:30 GMT
Do people in Crewe say "up to London"? I know that is the habit down south, but in Yorkshire it is normally "down to London", reflecting the inferior status of that place, probably.. (well in Sheffield one would also say "By heck, tha's never moving down south?") Railwaymen do. And there are a lot of us in Crewe. In my youth, the extended family and associates of my parents would always speak of going 'up to town' when referring to an impending London visit, wherever they lived in Britain. I associated that with cascading from railway usage but came to wonder if it was not in fact far earlier and in fact borrowed by the railways from established usage by the hunting and parliamentary crowd? There are many usages of up and down in hunting and most MPs from the immediate pre-railway period would have had a good working knowledge of the hunting and racing calendar, as both were more important than the HOC and determined when the recesses took place and the use of Thursday for elections, being the least favoured weekday for a hunt meet. The railway system was so predicated on lines to London that the up and down reference made good sense for the main traffic on main lines, but it cascaded out to all other lines as well and the trains were still designated as up and down by how one would normally approach making a potential journey to London. So, on a branch line running West-East in rural North Riding or Suffolk, it would be a matter of the direction one would take to the nearest junction where a train for London could best be had. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 19, 2019 12:01:36 GMT
Railwaymen do. And there are a lot of us in Crewe. The railway system was so predicated on lines to London that the up and down reference made good sense for the main traffic on main lines, but it cascaded out to all other lines as well and the trains were still designated as up and down by how one would normally approach making a potential journey to London. So, on a branch line running West-East in rural North Riding or Suffolk, it would be a matter of the direction one would take to the nearest junction where a train for London could best be had. Not quite. Basically one travels Up (in railway terms) to the zero mileage point of the relevant railway. In many, many cases this would be London. However, other companies had other zero points. The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway, for example, used Manchester Victoria as its zero point. So leaving Victoria westbound is travelling in the Down direction; but so is travelling eastbound. And in both directions the mileposts start at zero. The Mersey Railway used Liverpool. Which is why Birkenhead-Chester trains switch from Down to Up at Hooton. It all makes sense to railway folk. (Sort of.) |
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Post by owainsutton on Aug 19, 2019 12:23:06 GMT
I presume there's a similar zero-point on the Thameslink route? (Highly pertinent to Shetland, of course.)
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 19, 2019 12:27:40 GMT
I presume there's a similar zero-point on the Thameslink route? (Highly pertinent to Shetland, of course.) I would have thought that was City Thameslink station on Ludgate Hill?
I can move them to Useless travel facts if people think fit.
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Post by yorkshireluke on Aug 19, 2019 14:55:55 GMT
This recent deviation of this thread has been very informing. I've always said "up" if going North and "down" if going South.
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 19, 2019 16:36:52 GMT
This recent deviation of this thread has been very informing. I've always said "up" if going North and "down" if going South. In Ancient Egypt you always went up south and down north, for a very obvious reason... |
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Post by owainsutton on Aug 19, 2019 16:42:32 GMT
Some languages have no 'left' or 'right', and only use cardinal directions. (About 2 minutes in.)
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Post by offshore on Aug 19, 2019 16:48:17 GMT
This recent deviation of this thread has been very informing. I've always said "up" if going North and "down" if going South. In Ancient Egypt you always went up south and down north, for a very obvious reason... When I was young I was quite obsessed with ancient Egypt, and it did my head in because lower Egypt was above upper Egypt on the maps, until I figured out why when I was seven or eight |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 19, 2019 16:50:24 GMT
This recent deviation of this thread has been very informing. I've always said "up" if going North and "down" if going South. But up to university, regardless of actual geographical direction. |
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Post by torremark on Aug 19, 2019 17:14:38 GMT
This recent deviation of this thread has been very informing. I've always said "up" if going North and "down" if going South. But up to university, regardless of actual geographical direction. Come on even in 1972 we never went up to university unless you came from a very privileged group of no hopers who were destined to ru(i)n the country |
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