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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 19, 2019 10:14:03 GMT
Looking through the list of historic constituencies in Birmingham, there have been compass point names in the past (North, South, East, West and Central). IIRC Birmingham East was Jim Hacker's seat in Yes (Prime) Minister. The non-compass point name that stands out to me is Birmingham Deritend, which would have been SE of the city centre, running along High St Digbeth, High St Deritend and High St Bordesley, the main road towards Warwick and Stratford, an area which would have been quite densely populated back when the seat existed, but which is now dominated by businesses, industry and education. It was split up in 1950 between Small Heath and Sparkbrook.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 19, 2019 10:45:54 GMT
Birmingham All Saints. A great city and a fine all-girl singing group, what's not to like? And in its final years the constituency of the late Bwian Walden. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 19, 2019 10:51:23 GMT
Birmingham All Saints. A great city and a fine all-girl singing group, what's not to like? And in its final years the constituency of the late Bwian Walden. Indeed, although his final constituency was Birmingham Ladywood, and a seat of that name still exists today. |
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Post by Adrian on Jun 19, 2019 10:51:34 GMT
How on Earth do you mispronounce "Bath"?? Some southerners think it's got an 'r' in it and say something like 'Barth'. All proper English speakers know it has the same vowel sound as 'trap'. No-one pronounces Bath with an r. You mean a long vowel. There are at least four different vowel sounds (approx a, ae, aa and ah) that different native speakers use in pronouncing Bath, and none of them are wrong. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 19, 2019 10:53:12 GMT
And in its final years the constituency of the late Bwian Walden. Indeed, although his final constituency was Birmingham Ladywood, and a seat of that name still exists today. The redrawn post-1970 seat, yes. The previous version's electorate had declined to one of the smallest figures of modern times (see the 1969 by-election for an illustration) |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 19, 2019 11:07:09 GMT
Some southerners think it's got an 'r' in it and say something like 'Barth'. All proper English speakers know it has the same vowel sound as 'trap'. No-one pronounces Bath with an r. You mean a long vowel. There are at least four different vowel sounds (approx a, ae, aa and ah) that different native speakers use in pronouncing Bath, and none of them are wrong. No, you're completely incorrect. 'Bath' rhymes with trap and anyone who doesn't pronounce it that way is mispronouncing it and getting it wrong. There is no debate on this issue. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 19, 2019 11:21:27 GMT
I think David is having a laugh (pronounced lap)
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Post by johnloony on Jun 19, 2019 12:04:30 GMT
How on Earth do you mispronounce "Bath"?? Some southerners think it's got an 'r' in it and say something like 'Barth'. All proper English speakers know it has the same vowel sound as 'trap'. Yesterday you said that it rhymes with "trap" which means that you must think that the "th" is pronounced "p". Or does it mean that you think that "trap" is pronounced "traaarth"? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 19, 2019 12:06:09 GMT
Would you like to offer some guidance? Only if you tell me how to pronounce "Dwyfor Meirionnydd" in return  Simple. It's phonetic!  But if you're coming from an English language perspective, Dwy - a bit like the English "do we?" But without the eee sound at the end for = vor (but roll the r) Mei = English May rion - ree - on ydd - the first syllable of the English Ithersay. (Think "come 'ither...") Now. Your turn.  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 19, 2019 12:08:30 GMT
Bath ends in a thorn and trap ends in a letter p. You'd get away with rhyming them in a song if you were pushed.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 19, 2019 12:08:31 GMT
Looking through the list of historic constituencies in Birmingham, there have been compass point names in the past (North, South, East, West and Central). IIRC Birmingham East was Jim Hacker's seat in Yes (Prime) Minister. The non-compass point name that stands out to me is Birmingham Deritend, which would have been SE of the city centre, running along High St Digbeth, High St Deritend and High St Bordesley, the main road towards Warwick and Stratford, an area which would have been quite densely populated back when the seat existed, but which is now dominated by businesses, industry and education. It was split up in 1950 between Small Heath and Sparkbrook. Mrs TheGriff had ancestors in that area which was VERY densely populated in Victorian times. One of her ancestors ran a pub (The Swan?) on Bradford Street, which is still there. The area is - of course - also the home of Digbeth Coach Station.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 19, 2019 12:10:15 GMT
How on Earth do you mispronounce "Bath"?? David calls it "Bap", apparently One-track mind. Oh, that David. Maybe not. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 19, 2019 12:12:50 GMT
Would you like to offer some guidance? Nə HELL-ən-ən an-EE-ərr, roughly, where ə is the unstressed schwa sound in butter, or, I think, y in Welsh. Na helynyn an ee yrr ? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 19, 2019 12:16:41 GMT
Sheffield Attercliffe Edinburgh Pentlands district names in Glasgow Accrington Bridlington I like Isle of Ely, too, but as Lord Twaddleford said it doesn't really work for any current constituency. Liverpool Scotland Manchester WalesLeeds Mongolia Sheffield Papua New Guinea"Sheffield Wales" might actually be a possibility for a cross-borough constituency containing parts of the present Sheffield South East and Rother Valley. When the South Yorkshire PTE sold some vehicles to Caernarfon operator Silver Star the destination blinds were set to WALES, since it was an option on the blinds. I believe they were previously based at the garage in Halfway. So they travelled Halfway to Wales, and then all the way to Wales, starting at Halfway. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 19, 2019 12:24:23 GMT
There is no debate on this issue. So why are you debating it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 12:40:39 GMT
Only if you tell me how to pronounce "Dwyfor Meirionnydd" in return Simple. It's phonetic! But if you're coming from an English language perspective, Dwy - a bit like the English "do we?" But without the eee sound at the end for = vor (but roll the r) Mei = English May rion - ree - on ydd - the first syllable of the English Ithersay. (Think "come 'ither...") Now. Your turn. Thanks Na-He-Ellen-An-Ire |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 19, 2019 12:40:42 GMT
There is no debate on this issue. So why are you debating it? I'm not. I'm pointing out other people's errors. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 19, 2019 12:57:42 GMT
Looking through the list of historic constituencies in Birmingham, there have been compass point names in the past (North, South, East, West and Central). IIRC Birmingham East was Jim Hacker's seat in Yes (Prime) Minister. The non-compass point name that stands out to me is Birmingham Deritend, which would have been SE of the city centre, running along High St Digbeth, High St Deritend and High St Bordesley, the main road towards Warwick and Stratford, an area which would have been quite densely populated back when the seat existed, but which is now dominated by businesses, industry and education. It was split up in 1950 between Small Heath and Sparkbrook. Mrs TheGriff had ancestors in that area which was VERY densely populated in Victorian times. One of her ancestors ran a pub (The Swan?) on Bradford Street, which is still there. The area is - of course - also the home of Digbeth Coach Station. Coach Station these days, thank you very much. And the Swan in question is White. However, my favourite pub in the area is the Woodman, on the corner of Albert Street and Curzon Street, opposite the old station. This area is very much changed even in the 36 years that I've lived in the city, but the pub remains. The Birmingham end of HS2 will have its station in this locality. |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 19, 2019 13:19:52 GMT
Are there any proper old maps of the pre 1983 Brum constituencies?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 19, 2019 13:41:08 GMT
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