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Post by The Bishop on Aug 5, 2020 10:56:18 GMT
The changes on those new figures don't correlate with the poll just above it... rounding (36.4 (rounded down to 36) less 34.6 (rounded up to 35) is 1.8 (rounded to 2) Is that how it is normally done, though? Just dealing in headline whole numbers is more straightforward IMO, even if not always *totally* accurate.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 5, 2020 11:37:50 GMT
I'm not sure _ i'm not one of the resident polling experts here (unfortunately we've lost one or two of your party colleagues recently who were) but it makes sense in those terms
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Post by hullenedge on Sept 8, 2020 18:47:03 GMT
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Post by redtony on Sept 8, 2020 22:33:52 GMT
The tory Lead has fallen from 9 points a month ago to 2.
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Post by Vibe on Sept 10, 2020 22:23:06 GMT
The tory Lead has fallen from 9 points a month ago to 2. Surprised they are polling so high with covid, Brexit and the economy all big problems for them.
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 10, 2020 23:37:58 GMT
Dont even get me started!
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Post by hullenedge on Oct 12, 2020 16:02:22 GMT
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Post by hengo on Oct 12, 2020 16:26:05 GMT
I think Starmers cynical line of both supporting and criticising every action the Government is taking over Covid while never setting out any policy of his own is beginning, after being quite successful for a while, to jar.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Oct 12, 2020 16:42:15 GMT
I think Starmers cynical line of both supporting and criticising every action the Government is taking over Covid while never setting out any policy of his own is beginning, after being quite successful for a while, to jar.
I'd disagree, I think the Conservatives are getting a scared of covid, lets support the governemnt boost again.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 12, 2020 16:53:34 GMT
I would suggest that we avoid reading much into poll movements that are almost certainly statistical noise. Particularly when elections are a theoretical concept for the moment and when the complex constructions of assumptions that British polling is based on are all currently flying entirely untested.
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Post by andrewp on Oct 12, 2020 17:19:06 GMT
I think Starmers cynical line of both supporting and criticising every action the Government is taking over Covid while never setting out any policy of his own is beginning, after being quite successful for a while, to jar. It jarred on me this afternoon more than it has done before.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 12, 2020 18:13:00 GMT
I think Starmers cynical line of both supporting and criticising every action the Government is taking over Covid while never setting out any policy of his own is beginning, after being quite successful for a while, to jar. It jarred on me this afternoon more than it has done before. Boris played the format better this afternoon; of course Starmer’s been working with at least Rotheram, Anderson and Burnham, if not the Tees Valley guy, but he wasn’t able to rebut the accusation he hadn’t/wasn’t. I realise it’s totally unscientific, but he totally represented the views of my care team, who, up until about August were totally behind Johnson, arguing he was doing the best job he could, but since then are convinced he’s not got a clue, shouldn’t have reopened pubs, schools and universities, the testing is a farce and he is entirely to blame for this spike. Having seen our (Conservative) council react to a local spike they’re now agreeing with Starmer that test and trace should be run locally, and that nobody’s got a clue what the current messaging is.
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Post by andrewp on Oct 12, 2020 18:34:37 GMT
It jarred on me this afternoon more than it has done before. Boris played the format better this afternoon; of course Starmer’s been working with at least Rotheram, Anderson and Burnham, if not the Tees Valley guy, but he wasn’t able to rebut the accusation he hadn’t/wasn’t. I realise it’s totally unscientific, but he totally represented the views of my care team, who, up until about August were totally behind Johnson, arguing he was doing the best job he could, but since then are convinced he’s not got a clue, shouldn’t have reopened pubs, schools and universities, the testing is a farce and he is entirely to blame for this spike. Having seen our (Conservative) council react to a local spike they’re now agreeing with Starmer that test and trace should be run locally, and that nobody’s got a clue what the current messaging is. That’s interesting. The consensus amongst my group of not very political friends has gone from initially the government are doing the best they can, then Cummings really got them anti government and anti Johnson, and then over the last 6 weeks they’ve moved on from/ forgotten Cummings to ‘well Starmer can’t decide what he wants so both are as bad as each other/ we are better off with Johnson’
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 12, 2020 18:56:37 GMT
Boris played the format better this afternoon; of course Starmer’s been working with at least Rotheram, Anderson and Burnham, if not the Tees Valley guy, but he wasn’t able to rebut the accusation he hadn’t/wasn’t. I realise it’s totally unscientific, but he totally represented the views of my care team, who, up until about August were totally behind Johnson, arguing he was doing the best job he could, but since then are convinced he’s not got a clue, shouldn’t have reopened pubs, schools and universities, the testing is a farce and he is entirely to blame for this spike. Having seen our (Conservative) council react to a local spike they’re now agreeing with Starmer that test and trace should be run locally, and that nobody’s got a clue what the current messaging is. That’s interesting. The consensus amongst my group of not very political friends has gone from initially the government are doing the best they can, then Cummings really got them anti government and anti Johnson, and then over the last 6 weeks they’ve moved on from/ forgotten Cummings to ‘well Starmer can’t decide what he wants so both are as bad as each other/ we are better off with Johnson’ Cummings was a brief source of anger that didn’t last with mine, I think they felt there should have been tougher action on mass gatherings on beaches etc during the summer, as parents/grandparents they strongly opposed schools reopening, and now, as this afternoon’s guy said, they’re writing it on the back of a fag packet and Johnson should be kicked out (not, I should add, automatically be replaced by Starmer. I’ve had “I wish Maggie was still around” to “they should bring Tony Blair back”).
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Post by andrewp on Oct 12, 2020 19:00:53 GMT
That’s interesting. The consensus amongst my group of not very political friends has gone from initially the government are doing the best they can, then Cummings really got them anti government and anti Johnson, and then over the last 6 weeks they’ve moved on from/ forgotten Cummings to ‘well Starmer can’t decide what he wants so both are as bad as each other/ we are better off with Johnson’ Cummings was a brief source of anger that didn’t last with mine, I think they felt there should have been tougher action on mass gatherings on beaches etc during the summer, as parents/grandparents they strongly opposed schools reopening, and now, as this afternoon’s guy said, they’re writing it on the back of a fag packet and Johnson should be kicked out (not, I should add, automatically be replaced by Starmer. I’ve had “I wish Maggie was still around” to “they should bring Tony Blair back”). I think most people, and certainly those who aren’t tribal, would consider that both Blair and Thatcher would have handled this better
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Post by tonygreaves on Oct 12, 2020 19:20:02 GMT
Andrew Bonar Law might have handled it better. Alec Douglas Home might have handled it better.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 12, 2020 19:24:14 GMT
Andrew Bonar Law might have handled it better. Alec Douglas Home might have handled it better. Some of my care team may not be in the first flush of youth, but even my mum only goes as far back as Chamberlain, so Bonar Law’s out!
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Post by Vibe on Oct 13, 2020 9:38:24 GMT
It jarred on me this afternoon more than it has done before. Boris played the format better this afternoon; of course Starmer’s been working with at least Rotheram, Anderson and Burnham, if not the Tees Valley guy, but he wasn’t able to rebut the accusation he hadn’t/wasn’t. I realise it’s totally unscientific, but he totally represented the views of my care team, who, up until about August were totally behind Johnson, arguing he was doing the best job he could, but since then are convinced he’s not got a clue, shouldn’t have reopened pubs, schools and universities, the testing is a farce and he is entirely to blame for this spike. Having seen our (Conservative) council react to a local spike they’re now agreeing with Starmer that test and trace should be run locally, and that nobody’s got a clue what the current messaging is. Shouldn't have be opened schools! Clearly don't have 4 school aged boys who's mental healths had gone through the floor. All the parents I know were at breaking point too.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 13, 2020 9:58:19 GMT
Boris played the format better this afternoon; of course Starmer’s been working with at least Rotheram, Anderson and Burnham, if not the Tees Valley guy, but he wasn’t able to rebut the accusation he hadn’t/wasn’t. I realise it’s totally unscientific, but he totally represented the views of my care team, who, up until about August were totally behind Johnson, arguing he was doing the best job he could, but since then are convinced he’s not got a clue, shouldn’t have reopened pubs, schools and universities, the testing is a farce and he is entirely to blame for this spike. Having seen our (Conservative) council react to a local spike they’re now agreeing with Starmer that test and trace should be run locally, and that nobody’s got a clue what the current messaging is. Shouldn't have be opened schools! Clearly don't have 4 school aged boys who's mental healths had gone through the floor. All the parents I know were at breaking point too. I’m only repeating the views of parents I know. None of the kids are back properly, my supervisor’s son was back two days before being sent home, was back another day before having to test and isolate after the lad he shares a desk with tested positive, and after being back another week the school was closed entirely after 17 positive tests amongst staff. There’s no childcare available, so her husband is risking his job by taking time off work. I’m afraid I’m with the public health officials who said it wasn’t safe, and continue to say it’s not safe.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 13, 2020 10:02:57 GMT
There were a lot of stories around July and August that the government had been told it must choose between reopening pubs and reopening schools as it looked llike only one of them could be done safely.
They decided to reopen both and COVID cases started rising from the beginning of September.
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