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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 11, 2019 7:13:31 GMT
Fair dos. I know they refer to areas within the wards so perhaps aren’t terrible but the compass points would be clear to people outside the area as well. Agree that they should add something to Guisborough ward name if the other names stay, as it sounds like the whole of Guisborough is in the ward when in fact most of it is not. It's possible to go too far with compass points. Clicking around the OS administrative maps on NLS, I discover that the Metropolitan Borough of Stepney once had a St George in the East North East ward, as well as a plain North East ward. |
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Post by jamie on Sept 11, 2019 10:03:49 GMT
It's possible to go too far with compass points. Clicking around the OS administrative maps on NLS, I discover that the Metropolitan Borough of Stepney once had a St George in the East North East ward, as well as a plain North East ward. Are you suggesting East Kilbride East and East Kilbride Central North are not good names? |
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Post by owainsutton on Sept 11, 2019 10:45:44 GMT
Fair dos. I know they refer to areas within the wards so perhaps aren’t terrible but the compass points would be clear to people outside the area as well. Agree that they should add something to Guisborough ward name if the other names stay, as it sounds like the whole of Guisborough is in the ward when in fact most of it is not. It's possible to go too far with compass points. Clicking around the OS administrative maps on NLS, I discover that the Metropolitan Borough of Stepney once had a St George in the East North East ward, as well as a plain North East ward. Looks like hyphenation would have helped: St-George-in-the-East North-East? |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 11, 2019 12:18:26 GMT
I have to say, I feel sorry since your neck of the woods contains possibly the strangest ward name (though maybe not the worst) - I don't even know how to pronounce Streonshalh, let alone what it means. Yet the name survived the review, so it must have some local resonance. Could the ward not be called Whitby East (or if a poetic name is desired, Abbey)? It's perfectly easy to pronounce Streonshalh and it's clear it means Priests' Settlement. 'Abbey' is the name of the parish ward that you would expect to be called "East Whitby", and is the combination of the former East and Helredale wards. The current Streonshalh can't be called East Whitby as it includes half of the town on the west side as well. The ward boundary runs just behind my flat.  Something being easy to pronounce is not the same as knowing how to pronounce it (as Raymond Luxury-Yacht would be able to tell you). I haven't checked or Googled it but I guess it's pronounced "Strenz-hall". |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 11, 2019 12:25:07 GMT
It's perfectly easy to pronounce Streonshalh and it's clear it means Priests' Settlement. 'Abbey' is the name of the parish ward that you would expect to be called "East Whitby", and is the combination of the former East and Helredale wards. The current Streonshalh can't be called East Whitby as it includes half of the town on the west side as well. The ward boundary runs just behind my flat. Something being easy to pronounce is not the same as knowing how to pronounce it (as Raymond Luxury-Yacht would be able to tell you). I haven't checked or Googled it but I guess it's pronounced "Strenz-hall". How is Raymond Luxury-Yacht pronounced? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 11, 2019 12:26:23 GMT
Something being easy to pronounce is not the same as knowing how to pronounce it (as Raymond Luxury-Yacht would be able to tell you). I haven't checked or Googled it but I guess it's pronounced "Strenz-hall". How is Raymond Luxury-Yacht pronounced? Throatwobbler-Mangrove. Obviously. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 11, 2019 12:47:33 GMT
It's perfectly easy to pronounce Streonshalh and it's clear it means Priests' Settlement. 'Abbey' is the name of the parish ward that you would expect to be called "East Whitby", and is the combination of the former East and Helredale wards. The current Streonshalh can't be called East Whitby as it includes half of the town on the west side as well. The ward boundary runs just behind my flat. Something being easy to pronounce is not the same as knowing how to pronounce it (as Raymond Luxury-Yacht would be able to tell you). I haven't checked or Googled it but I guess it's pronounced "Strenz-hall". This website www.pronouncekiwi.com/Streonshalhhas lots of different answers (opinions?) but the most common version is 'strun-shall (with a schwa in the "shall"). |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 11, 2019 16:41:26 GMT
Something being easy to pronounce is not the same as knowing how to pronounce it (as Raymond Luxury-Yacht would be able to tell you). I haven't checked or Googled it but I guess it's pronounced "Strenz-hall". Strens'll. As in the place near York. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 11, 2019 16:46:51 GMT
Something being easy to pronounce is not the same as knowing how to pronounce it (as Raymond Luxury-Yacht would be able to tell you). I haven't checked or Googled it but I guess it's pronounced "Strenz-hall". This website www.pronouncekiwi.com/Streonshalhhas lots of different answers (opinions?) but the most common version is 'strun-shall (with a schwa in the "shall"). Ironically, of the ones I tried, the Mandarin one was closest. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 12, 2019 10:45:29 GMT
I have been trying to track down the reason for the naming of Neath East ward. I have already emailed the Electoral Services department at NPT council, and the Local Government Boundaries Commission of Wales, neither of whom know the reason. I also emailed the councillor for said ward, and got no reply.
The LGBCW did not draw up the current ward boundaries in Neath because it did not exist at the time, but the Borough of Neath (Electoral Arrangements) Order, 1983 (S.I.1983/116) is the relevant document which drew up the current boundaries. However, that Order would only describe the changes made and not give the reasoning. I have now received a reply from the West Glamorgan Archives Service:
so if any of our intrepid forum members are near Swansea it might be possible to find out.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 12, 2019 16:47:44 GMT
Thanks, johnloony -- I'll try to head over to Swansea when I get a chance. |
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Post by peter on Oct 10, 2019 22:57:50 GMT
The Stepney wards were. St George's in the East - North East; St George's in the East - North West and St George's in the East - South. This covered parts of the present Whitechapel and St Katharine's and Wapping wards. The other ward Jamie is referring to is Mile End - Old Town North East. The Stepney wards, of which there were 20, were compass points of Limehouse, Mile End, St George's in the East, Spitalfields and Whitechapel, which were the constituency names plus the two additional stand alone wards of Tower and Shadwell.
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