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Post by finsobruce on Jun 8, 2021 12:50:36 GMT
I am not persuaded that Nandy looks the part. She lacks the natural authority required. Bring back Ed Milliband? Far from ideal , but he does have experience and antennae.Yvette Cooper? Benn and Cooper both keep getting mentioned on pure "vibes" basically. Well, that's a major reason why we got Starmer! It's too late for both of them really, but if you had to go for one, you'd (i'd) choose Benn as he really does know his way around the block.
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Post by justin124 on Jun 8, 2021 13:18:08 GMT
Benn and Cooper both keep getting mentioned on pure "vibes" basically. Well, that's a major reason why we got Starmer! It's too late for both of them really, but if you had to go for one, you'd (i'd) choose Benn as he really does know his way around the block. I don't see it as being too late - but Benn has already indicated that it is not a position he wants. Not sure Cooper is any longer interested either.
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2021 13:24:17 GMT
It's too late for both of them really, but if you had to go for one, you'd (i'd) choose Benn as he really does know his way around the block. I don't see it as being too late - but Benn has already indicated that it is not a position he wants. Not sure Cooper is any longer interested either. Cooper missed her chance in 2010 when she deferred to her hubby. She was the right person in the wrong place at the right time. After that, she was a yesterday's candidate.
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Post by johng on Jun 8, 2021 14:59:42 GMT
Burnham has the highest rating for leaders/ potential leaders of both parties. His response rate is also pretty decent only 2 points behind Rishi Sunak and 13 points higher than Rayner/ 19 points higher than Nandy.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jun 8, 2021 15:30:25 GMT
Because he's not currently a Westminster politician.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 8, 2021 15:35:01 GMT
Because he's not currently a Westminster politician. I think that may be his advantage. peoples memories are very short, and he has managed to reinvent himself quite effectively to the non-politico, which may help him not be tarnished by the 'Westminster' brush. Johnson manages to avoid that too, even though he is about as establishment insider as you can get on one level.
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Post by matureleft on Jun 9, 2021 6:22:33 GMT
Burnham has the highest rating for leaders/ potential leaders of both parties. His response rate is also pretty decent only 2 points behind Rishi Sunak and 13 points higher than Rayner/ 19 points higher than Nandy. The staggering hostility to Gove? And whatever is "prime minister material"?
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 9, 2021 7:24:28 GMT
Burnham has the highest rating for leaders/ potential leaders of both parties. His response rate is also pretty decent only 2 points behind Rishi Sunak and 13 points higher than Rayner/ 19 points higher than Nandy. The staggering hostility to Gove? And whatever is "prime minister material"? Gove is creepy, as was Michael Howard. He is way cleverer than anyone else in the Cabinet and actually has some ideas, but he does have a certain menacing element. I suppose "prime ministerial material" is largely perceived by people who like to be led. As I don't, it's not something I think about very much.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 9, 2021 7:33:57 GMT
The staggering hostility to Gove? And whatever is "prime minister material"? Gove is creepy, as was Michael Howard. He is way cleverer than anyone else in the Cabinet and actually has some ideas, but he does have a certain menacing element. I suppose "prime ministerial material" is largely perceived by people who like to be led. As I don't, it's not something I think about very much. Quite so. Your last sentence is why it doesn't matter whether or not Burnham has any policies; that's not his appeal. It's also why Starmer is in a similar bind to Milliband before him - once people who want to be led have lost confidence in the leader's ability it is hard to get it back.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jun 9, 2021 7:38:35 GMT
The staggering hostility to Gove? And whatever is "prime minister material"? Gove is creepy, as was Michael Howard. He is way cleverer than anyone else in the Cabinet and actually has some ideas, but he does have a certain menacing element. I suppose "prime ministerial material" is largely perceived by people who like to be led. As I don't, it's not something I think about very much. Gove is the type who might become PM out of desperation when the Tories are 30 points behind, and then lose by a respectably narrow margin. A 1964 redux kind of thing.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 9, 2021 7:43:32 GMT
Gove is creepy, as was Michael Howard. He is way cleverer than anyone else in the Cabinet and actually has some ideas, but he does have a certain menacing element. I suppose "prime ministerial material" is largely perceived by people who like to be led. As I don't, it's not something I think about very much. Quite so. Your last sentence is why it doesn't matter whether or not Burnham has any policies; that's not his appeal. It's also why Starmer is in a similar bind to Milliband before him - once people who want to be led have lost confidence in the leader's ability it is hard to get it back. It really does make me wonder whether I will ever vote again. I absolutely do not want to be led and have an instinctive mistrust of anyone who either wants to lead or values leadership.
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Post by johng on Jun 9, 2021 7:49:37 GMT
Burnham has the highest rating for leaders/ potential leaders of both parties. His response rate is also pretty decent only 2 points behind Rishi Sunak and 13 points higher than Rayner/ 19 points higher than Nandy. The staggering hostility to Gove? And whatever is "prime minister material"?Clearly it is just public perception.
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 9, 2021 10:34:15 GMT
Quite so. Your last sentence is why it doesn't matter whether or not Burnham has any policies; that's not his appeal. It's also why Starmer is in a similar bind to Milliband before him - once people who want to be led have lost confidence in the leader's ability it is hard to get it back. It really does make me wonder whether I will ever vote again. I absolutely do not want to be led and have an instinctive mistrust of anyone who either wants to lead or values leadership. Though in reality "leadership" comes in several different forms. What you dislike (and you are certainly not alone) is a particular type, which unfortunately has been widely internalised as the only acceptable model in this country.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jun 9, 2021 11:19:59 GMT
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 9, 2021 18:32:54 GMT
Quite so. Your last sentence is why it doesn't matter whether or not Burnham has any policies; that's not his appeal. It's also why Starmer is in a similar bind to Milliband before him - once people who want to be led have lost confidence in the leader's ability it is hard to get it back. It really does make me wonder whether I will ever vote again. I absolutely do not want to be led and have an instinctive mistrust of anyone who either wants to lead or values leadership. You're not alone in that Mike, I tend to feel similar. But we (and most of us on this forum) are relatively political animals and know what we want a government to do. But huge numbers, maybe a majority, have limited interest in politics apart from when an election comes round, when they'll vote for the person they trust most to do all the thinking for them for another four years. It's just a thing, like some people being conservative or others being radical.
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Post by cogload on Jul 14, 2021 12:43:26 GMT
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Post by justin124 on Jul 14, 2021 13:32:12 GMT
The fieldwork is a bit old! Data not really in line with other pollsters.
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Post by hullenedge on Jul 14, 2021 17:31:58 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 14, 2021 17:59:59 GMT
The 7 o'clock train goes to Watford Junction. And has been cancelled this evening.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 3, 2021 11:55:36 GMT
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