middyman
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Post by middyman on Oct 14, 2020 17:03:01 GMT
There is no point trying to keep an unwilling guest in your house. Therein lies the root of the problem. It's not your house and we pay more than our fair share of the bills. In light of the 'now is not the time' argument, we are not even a guest, as we are obviously not free to leave. Therefore, we are a paying prisoner, locked in a bedroom with our credit card being abused by a third party. It’s all our house. Once you are shorn of the Barnett formula and having to exist on your own, paying for the services currently provided centrally, the Scots will realise how well off they were as part of the U.K.
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fourringcircus
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Post by fourringcircus on Oct 14, 2020 17:06:32 GMT
Actually it’s more like your locked in a guest house but we pay your for the pleasure. Remember 1.8k in extra funding for every man, women and Child in Scotland. 1.8k in extra funding against what exactly? Against that which is spent in people in Croydon? So what? Perhaps it's just that Croydon is getting a rough deal.
But then Croydon doesn't have Oil or Whisky or decent renewables. Perhaps Croydon want's to be a nuclear dumping ground and has designs on being a world power. Perhaps they even want Boris!
Don't try your 'we pay for you' arguments on me, becasue they just don't wash.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 17:10:03 GMT
Actually it’s more like your locked in a guest house but we pay your for the pleasure. Remember 1.8k in extra funding for every man, women and Child in Scotland. 1.8k in extra funding against what exactly? Against that which is spent in people in Croydon? So what? Perhaps it's just that Croydon is getting a rough deal.
But then Croydon doesn't have Oil or Whisky or decent renewables. Perhaps Croydon want's to be a nuclear dumping ground and has designs on being a world power. Perhaps they even want Boris!
Don't try your 'we pay for you' arguments on me, becasue they just don't wash.
But it does wash because it’s reality 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
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Post by fourringcircus on Oct 14, 2020 17:19:26 GMT
But it does wash because it’s reality 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ It's only a reality in the same Tory minds as those who think Boris is an all round good egg and he is the best for our country....
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 17:19:27 GMT
Actually it’s more like your locked in a guest house but we pay your for the pleasure. Remember 1.8k in extra funding for every man, women and Child in Scotland. 1.8k in extra funding against what exactly? Against that which is spent in people in Croydon? So what? Perhaps it's just that Croydon is getting a rough deal.
But then Croydon doesn't have Oil or Whisky or decent renewables. Perhaps Croydon want's to be a nuclear dumping ground and has designs on being a world power. Perhaps they even want Boris!
Don't try your 'we pay for you' arguments on me, becasue they just don't wash.
And last time I checked it’s the oil of the United Kingdom.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 17:19:53 GMT
But it does wash because it’s reality 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ It's only a reality in the same Tory minds as those who think Boris is an all round good egg and he is the best for our country.... I think Boris is a twat just for the record.
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Post by fourringcircus on Oct 14, 2020 17:25:00 GMT
I think Boris is a twat just for the record. Nope! A twat is actually a useful thing......
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Oct 14, 2020 20:14:37 GMT
There is no point trying to keep an unwilling guest in your house. Therein lies the root of the problem. It's not your house and we pay more than our fair share of the bills. In light of the 'now is not the time' argument, we are not even a guest, as we are obviously not free to leave. Therefore, we are a paying prisoner, locked in a bedroom with our credit card being abused by a third party.
As usual the victim card gets played, always someone elses fault.
I used to support Scottish self determination even if meant independence, but the SNP and its ilk who blame everyone and take no responsibility for anything, have changed my mind. I now believe that Scotland is better off being run by an inept UK government than as an Independent nation run by a group of Scottish Charlatans .
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2020 20:25:50 GMT
Scotland being a foundation stone of the western world as David would have it, I'm sorry but its a load of Haggises running around a Scottish field and it reenforces the English's idea that the Scots have their heads so far up their arses that they can see their intestines. Scotland hasn't existed as a seperate political entity for centuries so saying it alone is one of the two planks of the western world is laughable. Britain has had a major impact on the West but I wouldn't go as far as to make the claim about it David does for Scotland. Yes Scots have had an intellectual impact, greater than their numbers probably, on the Britain and through Britain on the West; but not Scotland the nation. I have already explained why. The technological and economic prowess of the West is why we dominate the world. Many of those concepts, ideas and inventions originate in Scotland. Not England. Scotland. Scotland is also undoubtedly a nation. We, I say "we" although I may well be more English than most of those currently commenting, have always had a separate style of money, education system and religion. The Duke of Rothesay can also attest to our differences constitutionally. That said, despite the puerile bigotry of yourself and carlton43 , and the bitchfight currently being shown by jollyroger93 , middyman and fourringcircus , I have always believed that we're much more together than we ever could be apart. Our best days are ahead of us, but they won't be if we are continually collapsing into the imbecility that this thread has descended into and which is represented on the wider national stage.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Oct 14, 2020 20:47:43 GMT
Scotland being a foundation stone of the western world as David would have it, I'm sorry but its a load of Haggises running around a Scottish field and it reenforces the English's idea that the Scots have their heads so far up their arses that they can see their intestines. Scotland hasn't existed as a seperate political entity for centuries so saying it alone is one of the two planks of the western world is laughable. Britain has had a major impact on the West but I wouldn't go as far as to make the claim about it David does for Scotland. Yes Scots have had an intellectual impact, greater than their numbers probably, on the Britain and through Britain on the West; but not Scotland the nation. I have already explained why. The technological and economic prowess of the West is why we dominate the world. Many of those concepts, ideas and inventions originate in Scotland. Not England. Scotland. Scotland is also undoubtedly a nation. We, I say "we" although I may well be more English than most of those currently commenting, have always had a separate style of money, education system and religion. The Duke of Rothesay can also attest to our differences constitutionally. That said, despite the puerile bigotry of yourself and carlton43 , and the bitchfight currently being shown by jollyroger93 , middyman and fourringcircus , I have always believed that we're much more together than we ever could be apart. Our best days are ahead of us, but they won't be if we are continually collapsing into the imbecility that this thread has descended into and which is represented on the wider national stage.
Nobody is saying that Scottish people haven't contributed in greater proportion to the western world than you would expected for their population. To me that is a different thing than Scotland the nation making a that contribution. This is because for hundreds of years the nations of England, Scotland and Wales have been so interlinked economically and politically that to suggest that any of them seperately can make such a claim it is wrong because they have been part of the British nation. Its a differentiation I make, maybe you don't.
Personally I find see the need of some Scots to over promote their lands importance as the same syndrome as the English have when it comes to the EU. Its what I call little brother syndrome.
If you want to disagree fine, but name calling, as in accusing me of being a purile bigot, is really beneath you, and disappointing as you usually post a good deal of sense.
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Post by redtony on Oct 14, 2020 21:28:21 GMT
What are the Polls for England and wales only? Tories currently get more votes and seats in Scotland so one would think that Scottish independence would benefit Labour
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 14, 2020 22:45:57 GMT
Scotland being a foundation stone of the western world as David would have it, I'm sorry but its a load of Haggises running around a Scottish field and it reenforces the English's idea that the Scots have their heads so far up their arses that they can see their intestines. Scotland hasn't existed as a seperate political entity for centuries so saying it alone is one of the two planks of the western world is laughable. Britain has had a major impact on the West but I wouldn't go as far as to make the claim about it David does for Scotland. Yes Scots have had an intellectual impact, greater than their numbers probably, on the Britain and through Britain on the West; but not Scotland the nation. I have already explained why. The technological and economic prowess of the West is why we dominate the world. Many of those concepts, ideas and inventions originate in Scotland. Not England. Scotland. Scotland is also undoubtedly a nation. We, I say "we" although I may well be more English than most of those currently commenting, have always had a separate style of money, education system and religion. The Duke of Rothesay can also attest to our differences constitutionally. That said, despite the puerile bigotry of yourself and carlton43 , and the bitchfight currently being shown by jollyroger93 , middyman and fourringcircus , I have always believed that we're much more together than we ever could be apart. Our best days are ahead of us, but they won't be if we are continually collapsing into the imbecility that this thread has descended into and which is represented on the wider national stage. "Our best days are ahead of us ...."? Woden wept! Your only days are all ahead of you, good or bad. There is no access to days behind you.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2020 23:02:05 GMT
I have already explained why. The technological and economic prowess of the West is why we dominate the world. Many of those concepts, ideas and inventions originate in Scotland. Not England. Scotland. Scotland is also undoubtedly a nation. We, I say "we" although I may well be more English than most of those currently commenting, have always had a separate style of money, education system and religion. The Duke of Rothesay can also attest to our differences constitutionally. That said, despite the puerile bigotry of yourself and carlton43 , and the bitchfight currently being shown by jollyroger93 , middyman and fourringcircus , I have always believed that we're much more together than we ever could be apart. Our best days are ahead of us, but they won't be if we are continually collapsing into the imbecility that this thread has descended into and which is represented on the wider national stage. "Our best days are ahead of us ...."? Woden wept! Your only days are all ahead of you, good or bad. There is no access to days behind you you. Consider engaging brain before putting mouth into gear. There is a common perception that this nation's peak was circa 1837-1945. I disagree. I think it was quite clear that that's what I meant Carlton.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 14, 2020 23:09:27 GMT
"Our best days are ahead of us ...."? Woden wept! Your only days are all ahead of you, good or bad. There is no access to days behind you you. Consider engaging brain before putting mouth into gear. There is a common perception that this nation's peak was circa 1837-1945. I disagree. I think it was quite clear that that's what I meant Carlton. It was not clear to me and I do not believe it to be true either. We completely ruined the place with mass immigration and socialism and woke damn fool nonsense.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2020 23:14:14 GMT
There is a common perception that this nation's peak was circa 1837-1945. I disagree. I think it was quite clear that that's what I meant Carlton. It was not clear to me and I do not believe it to be true either. We completely ruined the place with mass immigration and socialism and woke damn fool nonsense. I'm as critical of wokeness as you, but to describe the UK as "completely ruined" is a nonsense. I love this country deeply. I think we're a fantastic country.
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Oct 15, 2020 8:05:57 GMT
There is no point trying to keep an unwilling guest in your house. Therein lies the root of the problem. It's not your house and we pay more than our fair share of the bills. In light of the 'now is not the time' argument, we are not even a guest, as we are obviously not free to leave. Therefore, we are a paying prisoner, locked in a bedroom with our credit card being abused by a third party. This is tendentious nonsense and it is fascinating to see the language of brexit so readily adopted by snats. Note "abused"; "paying prisoner"; and the rest. The SNP are a smart political machine, the heavy focus on the negatives of the union has beautifully disguised the consequences of 12 years of misrule and now the blatant corruption which is now endemic at the highest levels of government. And like brexit it is always someone else's fault.
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Post by fourringcircus on Oct 15, 2020 9:22:16 GMT
This is tendentious nonsense...... People of colour used to complain about overt and accepted racism in UK culture, on TV and in in print media. Your response is akin to the views of Alf Garnett on that subject. Being the victim is feckin tedious, so I suggest you can take your holier-than-thou crap elsewhere.
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 15, 2020 9:34:59 GMT
Polite reminder to all that this thread is about Ipsos-MORI polls. Prhaps you could take your discussions of the pros/cons of Scots nationalism to a more suitable thread? Thank you.
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Oct 15, 2020 10:33:37 GMT
This is tendentious nonsense...... People of colour used to complain about overt and accepted racism in UK culture, on TV and in in print media. Your response is akin to the views of Alf Garnett on that subject. Being the victim is feckin tedious, so I suggest you can take your holier-than-thou crap elsewhere. How are you the victim? Come on a concrete example please. Just one will do.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Oct 15, 2020 11:24:31 GMT
Polite reminder to all that this thread is about Ipsos-MORI polls. Prhaps you could take your discussions of the pros/cons of Scots nationalism to a more suitable thread? Thank you. Preferably the amazing stupidity and ignorance thread.
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