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Post by Jack on Mar 22, 2020 20:28:32 GMT
Corrupt electoral system! Some context for this comment would be helpful. "Self-isolation sends Lib Dem peer mad".
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 22, 2020 20:32:00 GMT
Some context for this comment would be helpful. "Self-isolation sends Lib Dem peer mad". Has he been self-isolating since the 1970s then? (if only..)
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 23, 2020 7:36:47 GMT
"Self-isolation sends Lib Dem peer mad". Has he been self-isolating since the 1970s then? (if only..) If only .........Pete!
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Mar 23, 2020 16:26:26 GMT
Corrupt electoral system!
I agree, allowing people other than Lords the vote is corruption gone mad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 19:52:39 GMT
Polling on what people make of the government’s communications during this crisis so far. (Spoiler, it’s very positive for the government) 97% have heard at least a fair amount from the Government on how to protect themselves, and 90% believe government communications on what to do in response to the virus have been clear. Undertaken 27-30 March www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/government-message-cutting-through-covid-19
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 3, 2020 21:17:55 GMT
I'm not sure if I'd describe the media as 'almost totally supportive', although it's no surprise there is going to be general support amongst the conservative press. I have to say I've found the questions from the journalists after each news conference to be almost entirely inane or repetitive or irrelevant or having blindingly obvious answers - or a combination of these. Most seem to only ask a question so they can say on their piece to camera: 'I asked somebody important this question, they gave me an answer, so you should all take me very seriously as a political journalist'. I think the press conferences themselves have been very useful, but the journalists haven't exactly contributed much to them.
Haven't watched any press conferences, but my general impression from hospital visits, talking to others is that the governement is making a very decent fist of the situation and therefore an increase in support for the governing party comes as no surprise to me.
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I think that impression might be eroding now.. Pretty much all the press has been very critical the last few days although Hancock did OK.
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 3, 2020 22:36:54 GMT
Haven't watched any press conferences, but my general impression from hospital visits, talking to others is that the governement is making a very decent fist of the situation and therefore an increase in support for the governing party comes as no surprise to me. 👽
I think that impression might be eroding now.. Pretty much all the press has been very critical the last few days although Hancock did OK. the two things may not be mutually exclusive, people in the real world may well feel the government is making a decent fist of it whilst the press, in their desire to create controversy are critical. Certainly the fiancee thinks the questions asked at the press briefings are pretty stupid
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 4, 2020 8:47:43 GMT
I think that impression might be eroding now.. Pretty much all the press has been very critical the last few days although Hancock did OK. the two things may not be mutually exclusive, people in the real world may well feel the government is making a decent fist of it whilst the press, in their desire to create controversy are critical. Certainly the fiancee thinks the questions asked at the press briefings are pretty stupid I think most people think the financial support measures are very good and deserve credit, but a lot of self employed and zero hours people are getting desperate and that will filter out. The press are funnelling criticism from NHS and social care staff who feel the lack of preparation with protective gear and ventilators etc is costing lives. There is a feeling of national unity at the moment which is protecting the government, but the failings are real and things like shaking the hands of Covid patients may come back to haunt Boris If we do better than Italy and Spain, as we should, then the damage to the government may be small. Doing so much worse than Germany is of course being put down to selfish Germans preparing themselves at the expense of Italy, and I notice that spin all over the place. (of course I see no sign that we are helping anyone else at all...)
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Post by spqr on Apr 4, 2020 13:33:38 GMT
the two things may not be mutually exclusive, people in the real world may well feel the government is making a decent fist of it whilst the press, in their desire to create controversy are critical. Certainly the fiancee thinks the questions asked at the press briefings are pretty stupid I think most people think the financial support measures are very good and deserve credit, but a lot of self employed and zero hours people are getting desperate and that will filter out. The press are funnelling criticism from NHS and social care staff who feel the lack of preparation with protective gear and ventilators etc is costing lives. There is a feeling of national unity at the moment which is protecting the government, but the failings are real and things like shaking the hands of Covid patients may come back to haunt Boris If we do better than Italy and Spain, as we should, then the damage to the government may be small. Doing so much worse than Germany is of course being put down to selfish Germans preparing themselves at the expense of Italy, and I notice that spin all over the place. (of course I see no sign that we are helping anyone else at all...) This is a narrative which has relevance as of this week, but may make little impact in four years' time. And some of those criticisms are more valid than others.
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 5, 2020 0:24:14 GMT
I think most people think the financial support measures are very good and deserve credit, but a lot of self employed and zero hours people are getting desperate and that will filter out. The one area that seems to be a fairly major problem for the government is that some employers are not using the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme for employees and workers on zero hour contracts. They are simply not offering them any hours and thus not paying them anything.
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 5, 2020 6:58:02 GMT
I think most people think the financial support measures are very good and deserve credit, but a lot of self employed and zero hours people are getting desperate and that will filter out. The one area that seems to be a fairly major problem for the government is that some employers are not using the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme for employees and workers on zero hour contracts. They are simply not offering them any hours and thus not paying them anything. This is no surprise, and it is difficult for the government to do anything about it. It does however reinforce the criticism of the expansion of zero hours contracts that has come from Labour. These workers have no rights and no protection as is now being amply demonstrated.
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 5, 2020 11:37:43 GMT
I think most people think the financial support measures are very good and deserve credit, but a lot of self employed and zero hours people are getting desperate and that will filter out. The one area that seems to be a fairly major problem for the government is that some employers are not using the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme for employees and workers on zero hour contracts. They are simply not offering them any hours and thus not paying them anything. It seems likely that there will be many empty high streets after the lockdown ends. Local suppliers like florists and ironmongers will be bankrupt while the online business is still flourishing in many cases. It will be hard to get a haircut etc. Chains will move into this space. The current self employed will have no capital and little choice but to become employees in many cases. The end of the Nation of Shopkeepers perhaps? (which was already under pressure)
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 5, 2020 16:36:55 GMT
The one area that seems to be a fairly major problem for the government is that some employers are not using the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme for employees and workers on zero hour contracts. They are simply not offering them any hours and thus not paying them anything. It seems likely that there will be many empty high streets after the lockdown ends. Local suppliers like florists and ironmongers will be bankrupt while the online business is still flourishing in many cases. It will be hard to get a haircut etc. Chains will move into this space. The current self employed will have no capital and little choice but to become employees in many cases. The end of the Nation of Shopkeepers perhaps? (which was already under pressure)
Retail landlords with no tenents; maybe they'll drop the rent to get businesses going again, you never know, miracles do happen.
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 5, 2020 19:28:06 GMT
It seems likely that there will be many empty high streets after the lockdown ends. Local suppliers like florists and ironmongers will be bankrupt while the online business is still flourishing in many cases. It will be hard to get a haircut etc. Chains will move into this space. The current self employed will have no capital and little choice but to become employees in many cases. The end of the Nation of Shopkeepers perhaps? (which was already under pressure)
Retail landlords with no tenents; maybe they'll drop the rent to get businesses going again, you never know, miracles do happen.
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There is a retail landlord I know of who are self employed and rent out one retail premises, their main income. The tenant has taken the opportunity to take early retirement and will get £10k from the govt. They get nothing and have no income. They cannot get benefits because of the value of the property and I imagine they will have to sell at a huge loss. No doubt there are many people worse off, but not all retail landlords are rich... This situation is hurting many people who thought they were secure. But as always some will make a lot of money from it
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 5, 2020 20:40:12 GMT
Retail landlords with no tenents; maybe they'll drop the rent to get businesses going again, you never know, miracles do happen.
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There is a retail landlord I know of who are self employed and rent out one retail premises, their main income. The tenant has taken the opportunity to take early retirement and will get £10k from the govt. They get nothing and have no income. They cannot get benefits because of the value of the property and I imagine they will have to sell at a huge loss. No doubt there are many people worse off, but not all retail landlords are rich... This situation is hurting many people who thought they were secure. But as always some will make a lot of money from it Snap. I've told my tenant in my shop to stop paying rent because the government has told her to stop trading. I don't qualify for benefits because the asset is deemed to be paying me an income.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 6, 2020 5:38:21 GMT
There is a retail landlord I know of who are self employed and rent out one retail premises, their main income. The tenant has taken the opportunity to take early retirement and will get £10k from the govt. They get nothing and have no income. They cannot get benefits because of the value of the property and I imagine they will have to sell at a huge loss. No doubt there are many people worse off, but not all retail landlords are rich... This situation is hurting many people who thought they were secure. But as always some will make a lot of money from it Snap. I've told my tenant in my shop to stop paying rent because the government has told her to stop trading. I don't qualify for benefits because the asset is deemed to be paying me an income.
What I said had nothing to do with now.
It was to do with the future; less tenants may mean that rents will need to drop to attract them, however much that hurts the landlords.
Apologies if 'miracles do happen' was insensitve throw away remark, it wasn't aimed at any landlords in particular as always there are good and bad landlords..
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 6, 2020 16:34:37 GMT
If recent decades are anything to do by the property owners will prefer to keep their shops empty and just fudge their bottom line by increasing their book value from time to time.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 6, 2020 16:49:31 GMT
If recent decades are anything to do by the property owners will prefer to keep their shops empty and just fudge their bottom line by increasing their book value from time to time.
Some may.
If they can afford to.
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 6, 2020 20:10:46 GMT
Yes, may be very different.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 11, 2020 13:31:23 GMT
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