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Post by ColinJ on Feb 1, 2013 10:22:30 GMT
There always seem to be Tory to Independent defections in Harrow. I know about the Canons one - who is the other? The other Tory to Indy is Stanley Sheinwald, Hatch End ward. He made the move in May 2011. My intelligence at the time suggested he was remaining a member of the national Conservative Party, but that may well have changed by now. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 1, 2013 13:47:57 GMT
There was an independent Tory group on Swale for a while a few years back iirc...
We may have a UKIP group very soon...
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Post by john07 on Feb 1, 2013 15:40:45 GMT
The other Tory to Indy is Stanley Sheinwald, Hatch End ward. He made the move in May 2011. My intelligence at the time suggested he was remaining a member of the national Conservative Party, but that may well have changed by now. I'm surprised the Tories allow that - in our party the rules are that if you are a party member and a councillor, you are supposed to be a member of the Labour Group. It was common in rural areas for Liberal and Conservative members to sit on Rural District Councils as Independents. Often the same people would be on the County Council under their party label. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 16:05:48 GMT
I'm surprised the Tories allow that - in our party the rules are that if you are a party member and a councillor, you are supposed to be a member of the Labour Group. It was common in rural areas for Liberal and Conservative members to sit on Rural District Councils as Independents. Often the same people would be on the County Council under their party label. Still is common here in Somerset. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 3, 2013 9:56:27 GMT
Interesting phone call from a Swale Councillor yesterday that I've been mulling over. They're thinking of joining UKIP - but if they do so they will resign their seat - and NOT fight the subsequent byelection... I pointed out that a failure by UKIP to hold the seat in the resultant by-election would be a catastrophy for us locally - especially if they do it before the County elections. Of course, if we were to win it we'd get a huge bounce! But it seems a hugely risky dice to roll... Personally, I think we'd struggle to win it. I suggested they think about the need to resign for a while before making any firm decision... maybe till after May LOL!
Reminds me a bit of a chat I had last year with a Councillor thinking of joining us last year, but who was put off by the fact that they weren't guaranteed to be the UKIP candidate to defend their seat in 2015, and there was certainly no guarantee that they could be a UKIP candidate for the County Elections!
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Post by Crimson King on Feb 3, 2013 10:22:04 GMT
Interesting phone call from a Swale Councillor yesterday that I've been mulling over. They're thinking of joining UKIP - but if they do so they will resign their seat - and NOT fight the subsequent byelection... I pointed out that a failure by UKIP to hold the seat in the resultant by-election would be a catastrophy for us locally - especially if they do it before the County elections. Of course, if we were to win it we'd get a huge bounce! But it seems a hugely risky dice to roll... Personally, I think we'd struggle to win it. I suggested they think about the need to resign for a while before making any firm decision... maybe till after May LOL! Reminds me a bit of a chat I had last year with a Councillor thinking of joining us last year, but who was put off by the fact that they weren't guaranteed to be the UKIP candidate to defend their seat in 2015, and there was certainly no guarantee that they could be a UKIP candidate for the County Elections! far be it from me to encourage you, but it wouldnt be a failure of UKIP to hold the seat, as it is a tory seat and there could be some capital out of honorably resigning. Presumably the chances of you winning are low without the personal vote, but you would be no worse off |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 3, 2013 14:09:37 GMT
I'm surprised the Tories allow that - in our party the rules are that if you are a party member and a councillor, you are supposed to be a member of the Labour Group. It was common in rural areas for Liberal and Conservative members to sit on Rural District Councils as Independents. Often the same people would be on the County Council under their party label. It wasn't exactly unknown for Labour members in North Wales RDC's to do the same (including some very, very partisan people). |
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Post by john07 on Feb 3, 2013 21:56:34 GMT
It was common in rural areas for Liberal and Conservative members to sit on Rural District Councils as Independents. Often the same people would be on the County Council under their party label. It wasn't exactly unknown for Labour members in North Wales RDC's to do the same (including some very, very partisan people). I think it must have been in the early 1970s. I was told that Amlwch had three councillors, all were 'Independents'. One was a local businessman, one was a trade unionist and the third was an organizer for the Welsh Language Society! |
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 4, 2013 8:17:47 GMT
Interesting phone call from a Swale Councillor yesterday that I've been mulling over. They're thinking of joining UKIP - but if they do so they will resign their seat - and NOT fight the subsequent byelection... I pointed out that a failure by UKIP to hold the seat in the resultant by-election would be a catastrophy for us locally - especially if they do it before the County elections. Of course, if we were to win it we'd get a huge bounce! But it seems a hugely risky dice to roll... Personally, I think we'd struggle to win it. I suggested they think about the need to resign for a while before making any firm decision... maybe till after May LOL! Reminds me a bit of a chat I had last year with a Councillor thinking of joining us last year, but who was put off by the fact that they weren't guaranteed to be the UKIP candidate to defend their seat in 2015, and there was certainly no guarantee that they could be a UKIP candidate for the County Elections! far be it from me to encourage you, but it wouldnt be a failure of UKIP to hold the seat, as it is a tory seat and there could be some capital out of honorably resigning. Presumably the chances of you winning are low without the personal vote, but you would be no worse off Thanks Crim - an interesting viewpoint. There is, however, also the uncomfortable precedent it might set to consider as well... All in all I would prefer it to happen after May! But we will see what they decide :/ |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2013 8:21:46 GMT
Why not offer assurances about them standing in 2015? Seems reasonable enough, unless they are so bad you would not want them as candidate in any circumstances, in which case better not to accept their defection at all
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 4, 2013 9:30:58 GMT
we may already have a candidate in the seat they might hope to fight in 2015...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2013 9:36:07 GMT
As the council is all up are there not multiple vacancies per ward? I don't know the ins and outs and the personalities involved of course, but it would seem a reasonable expectation that were someone to defect they could defend their seat under their new colours and there are other seats another candidate could contest
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 4, 2013 9:44:09 GMT
Well quite - but as I told the individual, it couldn't be guaranteed... Though I think it was standing for the County seat that they were most interested in...
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 4, 2013 17:50:16 GMT
and yet another name springs up... another week - another Swale Tory defection?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 18:39:38 GMT
well over this gay marriage thing how many actually care enough to defect to a party that chucks people out for pro gay marriage views ?
Those tweets I put on the thread in the General forum show the split in the Tories over this, surely it really is not enough to defect for ?
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 4, 2013 18:45:21 GMT
I think there may be MPs ready to make a move over it tbh...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 15:54:35 GMT
Well if they want(ed) to defect, they can't keep hinting and suggesting and holding on. Either they want to move, or they don't.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 13, 2013 23:56:25 GMT
Just noticed that a couple of Conservative councillors on Huntingdon DC and Cambridgeshire CC (the Tories round here are into double-hatting in a big way) have become independents. One had previously been suspended from the county but not district group due to a personal indiscretion. They've got a joint blog with a horrendous font here: churchill-farrer.blogspot.co.uk/That might indicate they're moving towards founding some sort of St Neots First group, but for now they say they're both still members of the Conservatives nationally. I'd guess these are deselection-related defections. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 16, 2013 11:22:27 GMT
Anyone heard anything about Arthur Scargill possibly joining UKIP?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 16, 2013 11:50:34 GMT
wtf
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