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Post by The Bishop on Apr 13, 2012 15:37:49 GMT
Compass - or, more precisely, Neal Lawson - deserve all they get, tbh. He really is one of the most self-important t***ers in Christendom ;D
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 13, 2012 15:41:22 GMT
I agree with that - Lawson is like a broken record. But I figure you can attack him as much as you like, and two weeks later he'll still come out with the same claptrap. Better to ignore him, I think, and hope he jumps ship and becomes the Lib Dems' problem.
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Post by richardclemerson on Apr 13, 2012 15:41:50 GMT
Akehurst doesn't seem to be a Livingstone fan - he was commenting on Twitter about Livingstone's support of Rahman and making the very valid point that in doing so Livingstone had broken Labour Party rules.
I don't pretend to be an expert on the Labour Party rule book so don't know if this is really the case - wonder if a more informed forum member could elucidate further?
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 13, 2012 16:08:40 GMT
I think there is general agreement that KL was lucky to get away with what he did there - and plenty of others wouldn't have....... But that is the point - Luke is no uncritical Ken admirer, but given that he *is* (for better or worse) now the offical Labour candidate, he fully supports him. His own MP, btw, is Diane Abbott - and he adopts the same attitude there  |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 13, 2012 16:09:38 GMT
Akehurst doesn't seem to be a Livingstone fan - he was commenting on Twitter about Livingstone's support of Rahman and making the very valid point that in doing so Livingstone had broken Labour Party rules. I don't pretend to be an expert on the Labour Party rule book so don't know if this is really the case - wonder if a more informed forum member could elucidate further? I haven't checked the rule book, but the defence Livingstone used is that he wasn't telling people not to vote for Helal Uddin, just that they should vote for either Uddin or Rahman to stop the Tories winning. He pulled the exact same stunt in Cambridge, when he endorsed Green candidate Tony Juniper just before the election. I do not personally think this defence rises much beyond the level of sophistry, but clearly the relevant authority (presumably the NEC) found that it passed enough muster to be allowed to slide. |
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Post by richardclemerson on Apr 13, 2012 16:30:25 GMT
Rather makes you think there is one rule for Ken......
He must know where some political bodies are buried to get away with it!
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Post by toryjim on Apr 13, 2012 17:23:28 GMT
Rather makes you think there is one rule for Ken...... He must know where some political bodies are buried to get away with it! As I understand it from certain sources if Livingstone hadn't been selected as Labour candidate he was lining up a berth as the Green candidate. I think Labour didn't want a certain defeat so have pinched their collective noses. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 13, 2012 17:27:24 GMT
Hmmm, there are various rumours going about - another quite credible one being that Livingstone planned (no doubt lengthy and messy) legal action if Labour tried to expel him. Of course, he performed his TH stunt just after Ed had become leader - again, I doubt if that was a coincidence.......
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 13, 2012 17:33:18 GMT
Rather makes you think there is one rule for Ken...... He must know where some political bodies are buried to get away with it! As I understand it from certain sources if Livingstone hadn't been selected as Labour candidate he was lining up a berth as the Green candidate. I think Labour didn't want a certain defeat so have pinched their collective noses. I really, really, really hope that that is untrue  |
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Post by toryjim on Apr 13, 2012 17:43:39 GMT
Hmmm, there are various rumours going about - another quite credible one being that Livingstone planned (no doubt lengthy and messy) legal action if Labour tried to expel him. Of course, he performed his TH stunt just after Ed had become leader - again, I doubt if that was a coincidence....... Nothing Ken does is unplanned, even his recent "spontaneous" tears. |
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Post by historian1986 on Apr 13, 2012 18:04:19 GMT
Respect seem to be hinting at several councillors defecting to them in Bradford, but I think these would happen after next months local elections. That's what's Salma Yaqoob seems to be saying anyway.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 13, 2012 18:12:55 GMT
So in other words, it depends on what those results are........
If Respect in fact don't win any seats - or even just a couple by narrow margins - I suspect that Salma could be waiting for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 8:18:19 GMT
I hope these One Issue Lemmings are going to resign their seats?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 14, 2012 8:20:36 GMT
Did you say that about Paul Marsden?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 8:24:41 GMT
In a very real sense, that was a special case  But he should have done. All defectors should. |
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Post by kvasir on Apr 14, 2012 8:27:44 GMT
I'm guessing the UKIP Local Branch parties in question don't get a say? Poor Caroline Lucas. Her party spends decades working through the Grass Roots to grow at the local council level cummulating in her election in Brighton two years ago, and UKIP are offered a bunch of freebies! Talk about unfair. Interesting too for their Leader to not be an actual MP, makes for an interesting Party dynamic. In reality though it feels very unlikely that this is actually going to happen. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 14, 2012 8:29:32 GMT
In a very real sense, that was a special case But he should have done. All defectors should. There is an argument in favour of it which I'm sure has been well rehearsed on the pages of this site and its predecessor. I suppose it isn't very much your concern that MPs (who are not your MP) defect from one party you aren't a member of to another. Perhaps if you feel so strongly about it you should make your feelings known to Edward Macmillan Scott, especially since in that situation there is no possibility even of maintaining the fiction of a personal mandate |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 8:32:57 GMT
You make a very good point Kvasir. A new mass bloc of one-issue old boys doing it for themselves without a vote to justify it between them.
I was going to suggest that we put money on this happening. I still hear the Silly Season Klaxon ringing away in the distance.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 14, 2012 8:51:03 GMT
You're a broken record doktorb. Since no-one has defected yet I don't see how you're able to judge whether we're talking about 'old boys'. As for single issue obsessives, I know of noone who matches you and your obsession with voting reform - so much that somebody else had to start another thread for you to stop you banging on about it on every other thread going
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Post by toryjim on Apr 14, 2012 8:55:17 GMT
I still hear the Silly Season Klaxon ringing away in the distance. All the names so far mentioned prefer being professional irritants in the Conservatives rather than mainstream anywhere else! |
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But he should have done. All defectors should.
