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Post by cj on Dec 1, 2020 20:22:43 GMT
Yep, bit bemused by the winky face A friend of mine found themselves on the wrong end of a PCS...ahem... arbitrary decision! The favoured line of the more weary reps was it could be worse, we could be Unison!
Seen a fair few bad actions at many levels in the union but far more from a management that tried to treat their staff as if they were the serfs of their demense.
Hope your friend got justice.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 2, 2020 0:03:07 GMT
Tim Thomas, Ynysawdre, Bridgend CBC
Plaid - Indi - Welsh Nation Party
I’ve also just clocked that Greta Marshel who used to be a Councillor in Splott in Cardiff until 2017 has joined them. She was elected as Labour, went Indi, then joined Plaid.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 4, 2020 18:47:28 GMT
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Post by Cromwell on Dec 5, 2020 15:56:48 GMT
Bill Aron has defected from the Tories to Lincolnshire Independents. link |
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 6, 2020 0:03:03 GMT
90% of the time the Rule Book’s only purpose is to give you something solid on which to put the paper you’re recording the Minutes on, 2% of the time you use it for important things like Parliamentary candidate selections, and the remaining 8% is to use its mythical powers to threaten the usual suspects who are p*****g everybody else off with their adoration for the sound of their own voice. I usually found it useful for pointing out how things should be done as opposed to be done how so-and-so wants to do it or following the custom and practice of 'that's how we've always done it'. I learnt in my trade union days that the rules can be as much to protect individuals from arbitrary decision making as they are to restrict individuals.
Some years ago (quite a few) I was deputed to write some standing orders for the House of Lords Liberal Democrat group. Certain "senior members" expressed concern that their activities were going to be constrained. I point out exactly this - good (I would say Liberal) SOs are there to protect people not to subjugate them. Anyway they were approved unanimously in the end (there have been changes since then to cater for the wider environment which has become altogether more constraining with the rise of all-encompassing "Standards Regimes" but I think the basic underlying principles still apply.) |
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Post by bungle on Dec 8, 2020 22:12:32 GMT
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 8, 2020 22:26:12 GMT
Derek Hatton rejoined Labour after Corbyn became leader then was kicked out again a few days later.
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Post by David Boothroyd on Dec 8, 2020 22:55:54 GMT
Derek Hatton rejoined Labour after Corbyn became leader then was kicked out again a few days later. Not so. He applied for Labour Party membership and was given provisional membership, pending NEC approval. The approval never came; his membership was suspended, and then Hatton withdrew his application. So he never actually became a member. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 8, 2020 23:19:21 GMT
Derek Hatton rejoined Labour after Corbyn became leader then was kicked out again a few days later. Not so. He applied for Labour Party membership and was given provisional membership, pending NEC approval. The approval never came; his membership was suspended, and then Hatton withdrew his application. So he never actually became a member. What does "provisional membership" mean? |
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Post by David Boothroyd on Dec 8, 2020 23:27:04 GMT
See Labour Party Rule Book 2020, Appendix 2, Clause I.B.iii, vii and x.
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Post by cj on Dec 8, 2020 23:51:50 GMT
Not so. He applied for Labour Party membership and was given provisional membership, pending NEC approval. The approval never came; his membership was suspended, and then Hatton withdrew his application. So he never actually became a member. What does "provisional membership" mean? Arse covering/wiggle room to use to reject undesirables whilst not delaying access to aspirant members lucre. |
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Post by David Boothroyd on Dec 9, 2020 0:05:21 GMT
Not sure about that. I remember my provisional membership starting in February 1989, but my membership renewal date is in early April to reflect the six weeks of provisional membership. So as long as a member is accepted into full membership, they don't pay any membership fee for the time of provisional membership.
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Post by cj on Dec 9, 2020 0:11:17 GMT
Not sure about that. I remember my provisional membership starting in February 1989, but my membership renewal date is in early April to reflect the six weeks of provisional membership. So as long as a member is accepted into full membership, they don't pay any membership fee for the time of provisional membership. Well at least mboy has an answer without having to check the source material now  |
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Post by mboy on Dec 9, 2020 1:10:56 GMT
Not sure about that. I remember my provisional membership starting in February 1989, but my membership renewal date is in early April to reflect the six weeks of provisional membership. So as long as a member is accepted into full membership, they don't pay any membership fee for the time of provisional membership. Do they get the fee back if full membership is rejected? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 9, 2020 1:17:49 GMT
Not sure about that. I remember my provisional membership starting in February 1989, but my membership renewal date is in early April to reflect the six weeks of provisional membership. So as long as a member is accepted into full membership, they don't pay any membership fee for the time of provisional membership. Do they get the fee back if full membership is rejected? Try reading David’s last 12 words; you can’t get back what you’ve not given. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 9, 2020 8:32:23 GMT
Do they get the fee back if full membership is rejected? Try reading David’s last 12 words; you can’t get back what you’ve not given. The words preceding that are, "So as long as a member is accepted into full membership" - so I was asking about when one is *not* accepted into full membership. Smart-arse. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 9, 2020 9:01:18 GMT
Try reading David’s last 12 words; you can’t get back what you’ve not given. The words preceding that are, "So as long as a member is accepted into full membership" - so I was asking about when one is *not* accepted into full membership. Smart-arse. “They don’t pay any fee for the time of provisional membership” seems fairly self explanatory. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 9, 2020 11:47:20 GMT
Not sure about that. I remember my provisional membership starting in February 1989, but my membership renewal date is in early April to reflect the six weeks of provisional membership. So as long as a member is accepted into full membership, they don't pay any membership fee for the time of provisional membership. Yes, that sort of thing happened both when I originally joined in autumn 1982 and also when I rejoined (after a few years out) during the 1992 GE campaign. |
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Post by tucson on Dec 12, 2020 11:15:09 GMT
Cllr Sandra Crawford ,Cambs County Council (Cherry Hinton division)
Lab to Ind
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 13, 2020 13:35:08 GMT
See Labour Party Rule Book 2020, Appendix 2, Clause I.B.iii, vii and x. Ha ha. Sadly I don't have one to hand... |
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