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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 15, 2020 4:38:17 GMT
Here today, gone tomorrow... As Tony will know, a candidate who decides that they know better than anyone else how a campaign should be run (regardless of cost, resources or wider strategy) is not unusual. Or helpful. Or usually correct.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 15, 2020 7:29:32 GMT
Here today, gone tomorrow... As Tony will know, a candidate who decides that they know better than anyone else how a campaign should be run (regardless of cost, resources or wider strategy) is not unusual. Or helpful. To many experienced election agents, a candidate is just a "legal necessity".
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 15, 2020 12:06:43 GMT
As Tony will know, a candidate who decides that they know better than anyone else how a campaign should be run (regardless of cost, resources or wider strategy) is not unusual. Or helpful. Or usually correct. "If only you divert the entire constituency budget and every available deliverer to my ward we can win."
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Post by neilm on Sept 15, 2020 13:06:27 GMT
Benita is a previous candidate, albeit an independent, and has been on the edges of active politics for a long time. She knows all this.
I wonder if, perhaps, that the Lib Dems in London want to run a campaign that mentions Brexit (the remaining candidate in the run off seems a bit over focused on it, and the other one went on about it as well) to the detriment of whatever Benita's big ideas were/the bigger picture or to the detriment of local campaigns that may want to talk about '[assembly candidate] working hard all year round.'
My money is on a combination of candidateitis and the other stuff.
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 15, 2020 13:20:04 GMT
Independent candidates tend to run their own campaign or at least have more control over their campaign managers than party candidates. It's a very different arrangement from a party campaign where the candidate is largely expected to be out on the frontline and not driving the strategy.
It's my impression from afar that the Lib Dems are not very good at agreeing co-ordination and targeting in the Mayor & Assembly elections hence their poor results as they struggle to scale up their traditional approach.
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 15, 2020 17:02:52 GMT
Independent candidates tend to run their own campaign or at least have more control over their campaign managers than party candidates. It's a very different arrangement from a party campaign where the candidate is largely expected to be out on the frontline and not driving the strategy. It's my impression from afar that the Lib Dems are not very good at agreeing co-ordination and targeting in the Mayor & Assembly elections hence their poor results as they struggle to scale up their traditional approach. And then we wonder why the person elected is little more than canon fodder, unable to think for themselves and cannot contribute either strategically or to long term thinking.
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Post by neilm on Sept 15, 2020 17:05:05 GMT
What was Paddick's USP when he ran? He's probably the closest to Benita: the other Lib Dem candidates were party hacks. How did his campaign approach go down with the party?
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Post by neilm on Sept 15, 2020 17:10:31 GMT
Independent candidates tend to run their own campaign or at least have more control over their campaign managers than party candidates. It's a very different arrangement from a party campaign where the candidate is largely expected to be out on the frontline and not driving the strategy. It's my impression from afar that the Lib Dems are not very good at agreeing co-ordination and targeting in the Mayor & Assembly elections hence their poor results as they struggle to scale up their traditional approach. And then we wonder why the person elected is little more than canon fodder, unable to think for themselves and cannot contribute either strategically or to long term thinking. The other side of that is that, eg, Khan and Livingstone are/were pretty well plugged into their party and their thinking is shared by their members. They also have access to think tanks etc. The Lib Dems don't have that and because of their obsession with pavement politics aren't really able to think strategically, because they've never really had to.
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 15, 2020 17:58:15 GMT
Err, err, err.
Benita's problem is that a year ago on the back of the Euro-election results she thought she was in with a chance of winning. When it all fell apart she had no group of friends in the party to fall back on.
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 15, 2020 18:52:53 GMT
It's as though the Lib Dems have attracted a load of fair weather EUphiles with no commitment to the Liberal Democrat cause and no willingness to endure the long hard slog.
Is Chuka Umunna still a member?
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Post by neilm on Sept 15, 2020 23:38:43 GMT
Err, err, err. Benita's problem is that a year ago on the back of the Euro-election results she thought she was in with a chance of winning. When it all fell apart she had no group of friends in the party to fall back on. Have you got the inside track to share with us?
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Post by iain on Sept 16, 2020 1:13:49 GMT
It's as though the Lib Dems have attracted a load of fair weather EUphiles with no commitment to the Liberal Democrat cause and no willingness to endure the long hard slog. Is Chuka Umunna still a member? Yes.
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Post by andrea on Sept 16, 2020 10:49:44 GMT
As reported in the Parliamentary seclectiojs thread, Jas Athwal leader of Redbridge Council suspended from the Labour Party. I'm sure the fact this was done the night before the Ilford South selection is a strange quirk of happenstance Athwall cleared and back in the Labour group now.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 16, 2020 12:07:57 GMT
It's as though the Lib Dems have attracted a load of fair weather EUphiles with no commitment to the Liberal Democrat cause and no willingness to endure the long hard slog. Is Chuka Umunna still a member? Yes. You have my sympathy.
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Post by Beaumont on Sept 16, 2020 12:09:03 GMT
Councillor Lynda Scanlan, Hendon, Sunderland
LAB to Independent
Reason not yet known
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 16, 2020 13:20:15 GMT
As reported in the Parliamentary seclectiojs thread, Jas Athwal leader of Redbridge Council suspended from the Labour Party. I'm sure the fact this was done the night before the Ilford South selection is a strange quirk of happenstance Athwall cleared and back in the Labour group now. Quelle Surprise.
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 16, 2020 15:38:25 GMT
Athwall cleared and back in the Labour group now. Quelle Surprise. And Sam Tarry safely installed in the parliamentary seat.
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 16, 2020 15:51:29 GMT
And Sam Tarry safely installed in the parliamentary seat. Is this the only time it's appropriate to give a trigger warning?
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Post by andrea on Sept 16, 2020 20:18:39 GMT
And Sam Tarry safely installed in the parliamentary seat. The trigger ballot campaign has already started. Athwall and Terry are already openly exchanges accusations.
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 17, 2020 16:11:07 GMT
Well, one of our most prolific posters is fairly well acquainted with that part of the world...... Sorry! missed this. I think we're now up to five members of the Labour group suspended... It's tit for tat at the moment. Berryman and Carlin were going to challenge for the leadership, so .... I think it may now be six. it's difficult to keep up.
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