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Post by Merseymike on May 22, 2020 15:15:32 GMT
I do not support Starmer and have no wish to see him as PM However, while Roma Mills is a left winger, Labour councillors are overwhelmingly on the right of the party, and its unlikely that any defections which don't explicitly cite the party's shift to the centre as a reason, are connected to this.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 22, 2020 16:35:20 GMT
I do admire people who defect on deep matters of principle. "Lib Dem peer criticises Chuka Umunna".
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Post by timmullen1 on May 22, 2020 16:50:56 GMT
I do not support Starmer and have no wish to see him as PM However, while Roma Mills is a left winger, Labour councillors are overwhelmingly on the right of the party, and its unlikely that any defections which don't explicitly cite the party's shift to the centre as a reason, are connected to this. Interesting that she managed to tolerate the Blair/Brown years, including Iraq, but departs because of a change of policy under Starmer, who’s barely uttered a word on anything not related to the pandemic.
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Post by timrollpickering on May 22, 2020 16:58:33 GMT
I do admire people who defect on deep matters of principle. "Lib Dem peer criticises Chuka Umunna". Speaking of whom, what party is he in this week?
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 22, 2020 16:58:53 GMT
I do not support Starmer and have no wish to see him as PM However, while Roma Mills is a left winger, Labour councillors are overwhelmingly on the right of the party, and its unlikely that any defections which don't explicitly cite the party's shift to the centre as a reason, are connected to this. Interesting that she managed to tolerate the Blair/Brown years, including Iraq, but departs because of a change of policy under Starmer, who’s barely uttered a word on anything not related to the pandemic. When long-serving councillors resign from a party I sometimes wonder if it's just tiredness, but they feel the need to dress it up as some point of principle. And would it be too cynical of me to suggest that before members' allowances were so generous they also resigned their seats?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:01:04 GMT
"Lib Dem peer criticises Chuka Umunna". Speaking of whom, what party is he in this week? The radio silence from him is golden.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 22, 2020 17:01:40 GMT
"Lib Dem peer criticises Chuka Umunna". Speaking of whom, what party is he in this week? I believe he's headed for Abigail's Party as we speak.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 18:37:44 GMT
Interesting that she managed to tolerate the Blair/Brown years, including Iraq, but departs because of a change of policy under Starmer, who’s barely uttered a word on anything not related to the pandemic. When long-serving councillors resign from a party I sometimes wonder if it's just tiredness, but they feel the need to dress it up as some point of principle. And would it be too cynical of me to suggest that before members' allowances were so generous they also resigned their seats? I think it is to do with being fed up with it all. Had there been elections this year she'd probably have stayed because of that would have given her something to focus on but the reality of spending nights at home and not at meetings gave her more time to think about why she's doing this after 30 years. As she still works full time as a manager for carers in herts she doesn't need the allowance. Her seat is up next year and an election probably wont take place before then
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 18:48:23 GMT
I do not support Starmer and have no wish to see him as PM However, while Roma Mills is a left winger, Labour councillors are overwhelmingly on the right of the party, and its unlikely that any defections which don't explicitly cite the party's shift to the centre as a reason, are connected to this. Interesting that she managed to tolerate the Blair/Brown years, including Iraq, but departs because of a change of policy under Starmer, who’s barely uttered a word on anything not related to the pandemic. she told me that she couldn't do another however many years defending unpopular decisions. I think standing for parliament in 2010 had quite a profound affect on her. She knew she wouldn't win but hurt herself during the campaign, the party dropped her as a target seat (which was understandable but nobody told her) and then shr lost her council seat. Its just not been the same since. In 2015 it was clear she was ready to hang up her boots then. Moreover, throughout the 90s and 2000s she felt what she did made a difference to peoples lives and she liked helping people but when the party wouldn't allow her to stand for parliament again even when it really didn't matter who stood and didn't even tell her..it felt underhanded and she felt used.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 22, 2020 19:01:56 GMT
So it was nothing to do with Keir Starmer becoming leader and changing direction of the party then? She should get an apology from the St Albans Review as they've seriously misquoted her
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 19:31:09 GMT
So it was nothing to do with Keir Starmer becoming leader and changing direction of the party then? She should get an apology from the St Albans Review as they've seriously misquoted her as I said above she didn't want to spend however many years she had left knocking on doors and apologising for decisions she didn't agree with, she felt that was going to happen under Starmer
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Post by timmullen1 on May 22, 2020 20:34:53 GMT
So it was nothing to do with Keir Starmer becoming leader and changing direction of the party then? She should get an apology from the St Albans Review as they've seriously misquoted her as I said above she didn't want to spend however many years she had left knocking on doors and apologising for decisions she didn't agree with, she felt that was going to happen under Starmer As we don’t actually know anything about Starmer’s positions on anything other than the government’s handling of the coronavirus and his present opposition to a Brexit extension, given her uncanny ability to see into the future could she give me tomorrow’s lottery numbers?
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Post by carlton43 on May 22, 2020 21:06:35 GMT
Speaking of whom, what party is he in this week? I believe he's headed for Abigail's Party as we speak. I didn't know that he was a Demis Roussos fan either?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 22, 2020 21:18:04 GMT
I believe he's headed for Abigail's Party as we speak. I didn't know that he was a Demis Roussos fan either? Admit it, whenever his name is mentioned, you can hear Alison Steadman shrieking it in full scenery-chewing glory.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 21:25:46 GMT
as I said above she didn't want to spend however many years she had left knocking on doors and apologising for decisions she didn't agree with, she felt that was going to happen under Starmer As we don’t actually know anything about Starmer’s positions on anything other than the government’s handling of the coronavirus and his present opposition to a Brexit extension, given her uncanny ability to see into the future could she give me tomorrow’s lottery numbers? for christ sake tim you of all people know what it's like to give time and effort to the party and to come to a point where you don't feel like you can continue to be a member. She's given 30 years to the party. I wouldn't be a party member today if it weren't for her. I literally grew up with everyone knowing me as Roma's son. I don't understand why you need to make a joke out of this. She got to point where she no longer wanted to be a member. That doesn't need to be justified. That was a decision for her to make
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Post by Richard Allen on May 22, 2020 22:38:05 GMT
Well he's pretty bald about it. "They offered me a job, and I wouldn't get one under Labour." Admirable candour.
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Post by Merseymike on May 22, 2020 22:44:59 GMT
Well he's pretty bald about it. "They offered me a job, and I wouldn't get one under Labour." Admirable candour. It is, but honestly, no wonder people are so cynical about politics and think it's all about noses in the trough. The problem is that there are just so many members of the Councillor Party. While Labour were in charge he was happy to be Labour. At least he has no principles and says so which I suppose is better than pretending.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 22, 2020 23:24:49 GMT
As we don’t actually know anything about Starmer’s positions on anything other than the government’s handling of the coronavirus and his present opposition to a Brexit extension, given her uncanny ability to see into the future could she give me tomorrow’s lottery numbers? for christ sake tim you of all people know what it's like to give time and effort to the party and to come to a point where you don't feel like you can continue to be a member. She's given 30 years to the party. I wouldn't be a party member today if it weren't for her. I literally grew up with everyone knowing me as Roma's son. I don't understand why you need to make a joke out of this. She got to point where she no longer wanted to be a member. That doesn't need to be justified. That was a decision for her to make Fine, I can understand reaching that point, and I can see why she’d be pissed off about her treatment relating to the Parliamentary seat, but I’m sorry I just don’t buy “Starmer’s not the Labour Party I believe in” when he hasn’t launched a single policy since becoming leader. Why can’t she use the tried and tested “I can serve my Ward better outside the Party system” line, tbh it would have more credibility.
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Post by Merseymike on May 23, 2020 8:01:20 GMT
for christ sake tim you of all people know what it's like to give time and effort to the party and to come to a point where you don't feel like you can continue to be a member. She's given 30 years to the party. I wouldn't be a party member today if it weren't for her. I literally grew up with everyone knowing me as Roma's son. I don't understand why you need to make a joke out of this. She got to point where she no longer wanted to be a member. That doesn't need to be justified. That was a decision for her to make Fine, I can understand reaching that point, and I can see why she’d be pissed off about her treatment relating to the Parliamentary seat, but I’m sorry I just don’t buy “Starmer’s not the Labour Party I believe in” when he hasn’t launched a single policy since becoming leader. Why can’t she use the tried and tested “I can serve my Ward better outside the Party system” line, tbh it would have more credibility. Only as @priceofdawn explained, that wasn't the reason. You may find it impossible to compute that not everyone agrees with your starry-eyed view of Starmer and are capable of coming to a judgement which is less favourable than yours.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 9:12:03 GMT
for christ sake tim you of all people know what it's like to give time and effort to the party and to come to a point where you don't feel like you can continue to be a member. She's given 30 years to the party. I wouldn't be a party member today if it weren't for her. I literally grew up with everyone knowing me as Roma's son. I don't understand why you need to make a joke out of this. She got to point where she no longer wanted to be a member. That doesn't need to be justified. That was a decision for her to make Fine, I can understand reaching that point, and I can see why she’d be pissed off about her treatment relating to the Parliamentary seat, but I’m sorry I just don’t buy “Starmer’s not the Labour Party I believe in” when he hasn’t launched a single policy since becoming leader. Why can’t she use the tried and tested “I can serve my Ward better outside the Party system” line, tbh it would have more credibility. I think you really need to accept Tim that this is how she feels even if you can't understand it
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