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Post by carlton43 on Jan 31, 2021 16:04:54 GMT
How on earth can one in four people approve of Patel, and Gove? There is too much madness in the land. They are my favourite Conservative politicians of the moment both on political spectrum position, policy stances and competence at doing and saying what I want done and said. To my mind Gove is by far the most competent Conservative minister and has been for years.
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Post by hengo on Jan 31, 2021 16:45:17 GMT
I agree pretty much on Gove. He had a difficult start jumping straight, more or less, from journalism to being a minister in a big department, and made some mistakes early on. But I was impressed by how he learnt there, and took that experience into his next jobs. He is a bit unlucky in not having a face for television and isn’t at his best for some reason in media interviews. But he is a master of the Commons , and a sure footed , highly competent Minister. I have a soft spot for Patel, and admire her determination but I don’t think she’s in the same class tbh.
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Post by grahammurray on Jan 31, 2021 17:25:53 GMT
How on earth can one in four people approve of Patel, and Gove? There is too much madness in the land. They are my favourite Conservative politicians of the moment both on political spectrum position, policy stances and competence at doing and saying what I want done and said. To my mind Gove is by far the most competent Conservative minister and has been for years.That's the point. Maybe not the one you meant, though.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 31, 2021 18:12:51 GMT
How on earth can one in four people approve of Patel, and Gove? There is too much madness in the land. They are my favourite Conservative politicians of the moment both on political spectrum position, policy stances and competence at doing and saying what I want done and said. To my mind Gove is by far the most competent Conservative minister and has been for years. Do you not feel Patel is a mithering, interfering authoritarian?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 31, 2021 18:15:25 GMT
I agree pretty much on Gove. He had a difficult start jumping straight, more or less, from journalism to being a minister in a big department, and made some mistakes early on. But I was impressed by how he learnt there, and took that experience into his next jobs. He is a bit unlucky in not having a face for television and isn’t at his best for some reason in media interviews. But he is a master of the Commons , and a sure footed , highly competent Minister. I have a soft spot for Patel, and admire her determination but I don’t think she’s in the same class tbh. I have a good deal of respect for Gove. He always seems to work hard to understand his brief and to explore different ideas. I disagree with many of the conclusions he reaches but at least there's some evidence of thought. Patel I dislike intensely.
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Post by john07 on Jan 31, 2021 20:31:08 GMT
They are my favourite Conservative politicians of the moment both on political spectrum position, policy stances and competence at doing and saying what I want done and said. To my mind Gove is by far the most competent Conservative minister and has been for years. Do you not feel Patel is a mithering, interfering authoritarian? Of course he does. That's why he likes her!
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 31, 2021 21:28:10 GMT
They are my favourite Conservative politicians of the moment both on political spectrum position, policy stances and competence at doing and saying what I want done and said. To my mind Gove is by far the most competent Conservative minister and has been for years. Do you not feel Patel is a mithering, interfering authoritarian? No.
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Post by tonygreaves on Jan 31, 2021 21:31:27 GMT
The interesting thing is that it really exposes the way that the people who call the shots first are a global pharma company who, in the interests of over-ambitious planning, or corporate greed, or whatever, appear to have signed contracts to supply vaccines that they were not able to fulfil. The second interesting thing is that the EU, having seriously dropped a bollock over the Irish border, had the good sense and humility to retract very quickly. I can't think how the appalling Johnson regime would have reacted in he same circumstances!
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Post by tonygreaves on Jan 31, 2021 21:33:07 GMT
Do you not feel Patel is a mithering, interfering authoritarian? No. I would think this is rather too kind to her. She is a bigoted right-wing populist who also suffers from a major defect v- she is not very bright. Unlike Gove who is too bright for his own good (or for ours anyway).
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 31, 2021 21:53:20 GMT
The interesting thing is that it really exposes the way that the people who call the shots first are a global pharma company who, in the interests of over-ambitious planning, or corporate greed, or whatever, appear to have signed contracts to supply vaccines that they were not able to fulfil. The second interesting thing is that the EU, having seriously dropped a bollock over the Irish border, had the good sense and humility to retract very quickly. I can't think how the appalling Johnson regime would have reacted in he same circumstances! Such greed that AZ is providing the vaccine at cost price when if they’d wanted to they could have made an absolute fortune...
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Post by middyman on Jan 31, 2021 22:05:21 GMT
The interesting thing is that it really exposes the way that the people who call the shots first are a global pharma company who, in the interests of over-ambitious planning, or corporate greed, or whatever, appear to have signed contracts to supply vaccines that they were not able to fulfil. The second interesting thing is that the EU, having seriously dropped a bollock over the Irish border, had the good sense and humility to retract very quickly. I can't think how the appalling Johnson regime would have reacted in he same circumstances! The first paragraph is wrong as to AZ’s knowledge. The work involved in getting U.K. plants up to the required speed meant that AZ was fully aware as to what would be required in its EU plants. The EU insisted on parallel delivery timescale with the U.K., which owing to the late contractual commitment by the EU., AZ was aware was not possible and so insisted on everything being “best endeavours” and the timescale estimated. Pfizer is also going to fail to deliver on time next month as it reduces capacity in order to make changes to enable increased future production. This is what AZ are in effect doing but there has been no song and dance about Pfizer.
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 1, 2021 0:07:33 GMT
I agree pretty much on Gove. He had a difficult start jumping straight, more or less, from journalism to being a minister in a big department, and made some mistakes early on. But I was impressed by how he learnt there, and took that experience into his next jobs. He is a bit unlucky in not having a face for television and isn’t at his best for some reason in media interviews. But he is a master of the Commons , and a sure footed , highly competent Minister. I have a soft spot for Patel, and admire her determination but I don’t think she’s in the same class tbh. I have a good deal of respect for Gove. He always seems to work hard to understand his brief and to explore different ideas. I disagree with many of the conclusions he reaches but at least there's some evidence of thought. Patel I dislike intensely. I like her because she's doing things like this.
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 1, 2021 17:27:16 GMT
The interesting thing is that it really exposes the way that the people who call the shots first are a global pharma company who, in the interests of over-ambitious planning, or corporate greed, or whatever, appear to have signed contracts to supply vaccines that they were not able to fulfil. The second interesting thing is that the EU, having seriously dropped a bollock over the Irish border, had the good sense and humility to retract very quickly. I can't think how the appalling Johnson regime would have reacted in he same circumstances! Such greed that AZ is providing the vaccine at cost price when if they’d wanted to they could have made an absolute fortune... Hm. You don't think that they will make lots of money out of it all in the longer run? Anyway they cannot be providing at cost price if what they are charging the EU is less than what they ae charging the UK.
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Post by andrewp on Feb 13, 2021 22:02:08 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 27, 2021 20:26:42 GMT
The Graun/Observer website reports an Opinium poll, but last I looked there wasn't much in the way of figures to go off. It did state a 7 point Tory lead though. Presumably more will appear in the next few hours.
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Post by andrewp on Feb 27, 2021 20:35:36 GMT
The Graun/Observer website reports an Opinium poll, but last I looked there wasn't much in the way of figures to go off. It did state a 7 point Tory lead though. Presumably more will appear in the next few hours.
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 27, 2021 23:14:57 GMT
The Graun/Observer website reports an Opinium poll, but last I looked there wasn't much in the way of figures to go off. It did state a 7 point Tory lead though. Presumably more will appear in the next few hours. and interesting that Opinium choose to highlight this:
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 27, 2021 23:23:32 GMT
Given that Labour's only distinctive message seems to be " vote for us and we will do the same but more competently' can anyone be surprised?
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 28, 2021 1:00:30 GMT
Given that Labour's only distinctive message seems to be " vote for us and we will do the same but more competently' can anyone be surprised? You should be delighted to see your preferred party of government expanding its lead.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 28, 2021 7:52:38 GMT
Given that Labour's only distinctive message seems to be " vote for us and we will do the same but more competently' can anyone be surprised? You should be delighted to see your preferred party of government expanding its lead. Given I don't have a positive preference, it's more a case of indifference. However, Labour deserve to be in this position. When Ken Clarke is expressing opinions to the left of Labour, something is wrong.
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