Tory/SNP DevoMax/boundaries deal??

[Deleted]

Angus MacNeil went quiet on twitter when asked if they'll vote no..

[the_bullies]

I just can't see the minor parties 'Turkeys' so to speak voting for xmas. Afterall Plaid Cymru's Dafydd Wigley (a former leader of their party & one of only two Plaid Lords) is one of the co-sponsors of the bill. And how on earth could the SNP for instance who constantly attack the Tories for being 'Anti-Scottish' cuddle up & do a cosy backroom deal with them it would be politically disasterous for their referendum campaign & give Labour a gift wrapped present of an opportunity to finally do some real damage to their goverment & say they cant be trusted. The Dup stand to lose a seat under the proposals & the SDLP normally vote with Labour in the commons so voting with the Tories would again be strange. The other thing to note is that Galloway, The NI Alliance party candidate & Sylvia Hermon should vote with us. Hermon left the UUP because of their links to the Tories & again normally votes with Labour.

[The Bishop]

Presuming that the honourable member for Bradford West will even be there to vote is somewhat on the optimistic side, tbh

[piperdave]

Jan 10, 2013 20:01:03 GMT the_bullies said:

And how on earth could the SNP for instance who constantly attack the Tories for being 'Anti-Scottish' cuddle up & do a cosy backroom deal with them it would be politically disasterous for their referendum campaign & give Labour a gift wrapped present of an opportunity to finally do some real damage to their goverment & say they cant be trusted.

Voting for something you agree with isn't the same as doing a deal. Getting rid of 7 'expenses-fiddling politicians' wouldn't necessarily be politically toxic. The SNP of course argue that there shouldn't be any MPs representing Scottish constituencies in Westminster so supporting a reduction would be entirely in accordance with their principles.

[Deleted]

the fact the Tories are selecting on the old boundaries states what they really think wil happen.

[Tangent]

Another complication is that there won't be one Order for the United Kingdom, but one for each country. The SNP might be persuaded to vote for a Scottish Order, but it is their policy not to vote at Westminster on matters not affecting Scotland.

[timrollpickering]

They might, though, be persuaded that the orders constitute a package - the most obvious point that springs to mind is the argument that Scotland's representation should only be cut if the other three are cut at the same time, so every order affects the whole UK.

[Tangent]

Jan 11, 2013 1:49:03 GMT timrollpickering said:

They might, though, be persuaded that the orders constitute a package - the most obvious point that springs to mind is the argument that Scotland's representation should only be cut if the other three are cut at the same time, so every order affects the whole UK.

That would be very clever parliamentary management if it came about that way, as the SNP would then be seduced, not only into supporting the Order, but in protecting the ultimate principle. But I'm not sure the price the SNP would ask for such support would be one Cameron would be prepared to pay.

[East Anglian Lefty]

Whether the SNP might support a deal in the abstract isn't relevant, because Con+SNP isn't a majority. There's nothing to suggest any Labour or LD MP will vote in favour that I can see (are there any LD MPs whose seats would be radically improved by the review?), Plaid's offer seems to have been ignored and Cameron hasn't offered the DUP anything that comes close to being attractive enough for them. The SNP don't want to expose themselves to criticism unless it's in support of a winning measure.

Unless the Tory whips do an amazingly good job whilst their Lib Dem and Labour opposite numbers slope off home at lunchtime, I don't see a path to victory.

[Tangent]

if both Scotish & Welsh Nationalists, the DUP, Naomi Long and Lady Hermon can be won, there would be a government majority of 3. But, with Conservative rebels and abstainers likely, Sir George would need around five or six LD ministers, at least, to abstain. There is no guarantee that any such majority would survive rejection by the Lords, which looks inevitable in the circumstances.

[Deleted]

All LD's are behind Clegg, no chance of any of those will stray over to the Tory side

[The Bishop]

Lady Hermon almost always votes with Labour anyway, and I would expect Naomi Long (if she turns up) to back the LibDems.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Tomorrow's Times reports that Rev Willie McCrea of the DUP has said he will definitely vote against, and would really like to see the whole boundary review halted now.

He's not the leader of the DUP Parliamentary party but he is the oldest and longest serving member of it, so his views are likely to carry some weight.

[Deleted]

once the lords vote goes against it then thats it.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

The SNP have ruled out a deal. It's over.

www.politicshome.com/uk/story/32111/

[Deleted]

vote now taking place in the lords

[Deleted]

vote to delay changes won by 69 that should finally kill it

[piperdave]

Jan 14, 2013 18:32:36 GMT @ianrobo said:

vote to delay changes won by 69 that should finally kill delay it

Fixed that for you

[the_bullies]

This bill reminds me of the 'Monty Python' Dead Parrott sketch.

[stepney]

May I just in frustration say to Robo, whose maunderings I'm happily no longer in a position to read - know your place, and don't you dare gloat at people who at least have a basic grasp of English grammar.

If this were malapportionent that worked in the Tory Party's favour, you would be the first whining that it should be got rid of, end of. The difference between us is that I would like to think that if it were malapportionent that worked in the Tory Party's favour, I would be right behind you backing you up.

The death of the boundary review occurs primarily because of a Labour Party that believes its opponents are not just wrong or misguided, but evil, and therefore malapportionment (or indeed anything) is a just measure to try and get it out of power, and secondly because of Nick Clegg playing a petulant game of tit for tat over Lords reform. Well done both, you save your own undersized seats and screw the wicked Tories over with it.