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Post by andrew111 on Jun 14, 2021 18:48:26 GMT
"You don't change horsemen in the middle of an apocalypse". War, famine, pestilence and death. Sounds like a Conservative policy to me! Pestilence replaced by Pollution according to Gaiman and Pratchett, but I guess he is making a big comeback in the race for the top four!
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 14, 2021 18:50:26 GMT
It will probably increase support for the government... What may change that is the removal of furlough payments, which a remarkably large number of people are still receiving. Small businesses need the restrictions to go, in total. Its odd for the Tory party to prioritise the bone idle over the hardworking small business owner. It is a bit like Animal Farm watching you turn into a Tory Mike!
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 14, 2021 19:45:18 GMT
War, famine, pestilence and death. Sounds like a Conservative policy to me! Pestilence replaced by Pollution according to Gaiman and Pratchett, but I guess he is making a big comeback in the race for the top four! Death, Mortis, Fear and Fire?
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 14, 2021 19:58:14 GMT
What may change that is the removal of furlough payments, which a remarkably large number of people are still receiving. Small businesses need the restrictions to go, in total. Its odd for the Tory party to prioritise the bone idle over the hardworking small business owner. It is a bit like Animal Farm watching you turn into a Tory Mike! I always thought Socialism was about full employment and supporting small businesses over the monopolies And it's inherently risky. Not safe
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Post by European Lefty on Jun 14, 2021 21:06:22 GMT
What may change that is the removal of furlough payments, which a remarkably large number of people are still receiving. Small businesses need the restrictions to go, in total. Its odd for the Tory party to prioritise the bone idle over the hardworking small business owner. It is a bit like Animal Farm watching you turn into a Tory Mike! Those of us in the red room have been watching it for ages
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 14, 2021 21:12:24 GMT
It is a bit like Animal Farm watching you turn into a Tory Mike! I always thought Socialism was about full employment and supporting small businesses over the monopolies And it's inherently risky. Not safe It is the way you characterise it as "prioritising the bone idle" which is straight off the front page of the Daily Express
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 14, 2021 21:24:27 GMT
I always thought Socialism was about full employment and supporting small businesses over the monopolies And it's inherently risky. Not safe It is the way you characterise it as "prioritising the bone idle" which is straight off the front page of the Daily Express People who know me in real life know that I like winding people up. However, if you're seriously telling me that people's attitudes would be exactly the same without furlough, which has underpinned the luxury of risk-aversion, I think you are kidding yourself.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jun 15, 2021 5:13:10 GMT
It is the way you characterise it as "prioritising the bone idle" which is straight off the front page of the Daily Express People who know me in real life know that I like winding people up. However, if you're seriously telling me that people's attitudes would be exactly the same without furlough, which has underpinned the luxury of risk-aversion, I think you are kidding yourself. On a semi related note, I sometimes wonder what the ministers in the Atlee government would make of the range, depth and complexity of the benefits and tax system we now have.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 15, 2021 7:26:36 GMT
People who know me in real life know that I like winding people up. However, if you're seriously telling me that people's attitudes would be exactly the same without furlough, which has underpinned the luxury of risk-aversion, I think you are kidding yourself. On a semi related note, I sometimes wonder what the ministers in the Atlee government would make of the range, depth and complexity of the benefits and tax system we now have. Deserves it's own thread, but I wouldn't imagine they would have thought that the myriad of means tested benefits were likely to emerge - and indeed, they didn't while there was largely full employment.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 15, 2021 7:42:21 GMT
People who know me in real life know that I like winding people up. However, if you're seriously telling me that people's attitudes would be exactly the same without furlough, which has underpinned the luxury of risk-aversion, I think you are kidding yourself. On a semi related note, I sometimes wonder what the ministers in the Atlee government would make of the range, depth and complexity of the benefits and tax system we now have. Anybody who knew anything about the Beveridge Report would be appalled by the structure of the British benefits system since the Thatcher government (Major being the minister responsible). The Blair government (mainly Brown I think) tried to fix some of the worst of the vandalism but at cost of Brownian complex arithmetic. Beveridge himself would, I think, have been unimpressed by Attlee et al's willingness to use redistributive tax to fund the thing rather than individual National Insurance.
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Post by carolus on Jul 15, 2021 12:47:16 GMT
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 15, 2021 13:02:07 GMT
That 13% we had with Ipsos-MORI doesn't look such an outlier now.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 15, 2021 14:00:14 GMT
The LDs seem to be up with a number of different polling companies so it looks like a real movement following Chesham and Amersham. Maybe voters had forgotten about the party and that result got them back into the news. Boo to that
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Post by justin124 on Jul 15, 2021 14:39:34 GMT
That 13% we had with Ipsos-MORI doesn't look such an outlier now. 44% looks a bit high for the Tories. Kantar have also had the LDs on 10%/11% earlier this year.
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Post by islington on Jul 15, 2021 16:44:53 GMT
War, famine, pestilence and death. Sounds like a Conservative policy to me! Pestilence replaced by Pollution according to Gaiman and Pratchett, but I guess he is making a big comeback in the race for the top four! No, as the events of the last eighteen months have made all too apparent, Pestilence is still very much with us.
According to Pratchett there was a fifth horseman, Ronnie, who left the group before it became famous.
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Post by cogload on Aug 26, 2021 9:36:05 GMT
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Post by cogload on Aug 26, 2021 9:47:22 GMT
Choose your poison really...!
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 27, 2021 9:43:07 GMT
The R number for Lib Dem support declines from 1.5 to 1.17..
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 27, 2021 10:19:58 GMT
The R number for Lib Dem support declines from 1.5 to 1.17.. Does anyone really believe that the Conservatives have dropped a full 7-points and that the SNP support has 'HALVED'? Really! Really!!
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 27, 2021 10:24:41 GMT
Again, its a poll compared with the previous one over a month ago - not last week.
(though yes, the SNP figure does seem a bit "noisy" as is often the case with GB-wide surveys)
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