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Post by IceAgeComing on May 15, 2020 14:01:47 GMT
I mean depending on how serious the infection was (and he was in intensive care and not far off being put on a ventilator so it was clearly very serious) he might never be back to how he was before this. A virus like that can have long term impacts on health.
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Post by mboy on May 15, 2020 14:17:20 GMT
He will recover but it will take time. I had full-on proper influenza in the 1999 pandemic and it knocked me out totally for 2 weeks and took me 3 months to get back to full strength afterwards. They are fierce diseases. Johnson's inability to "take it easy" (both as PM and also given the crisis) may hinder him more.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 14:53:06 GMT
On tv they were saying some people will need 18 months to recover with a physio, etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 14:53:52 GMT
Well it’s probably true that those of us interested in politics exaggerate the effect of performance at PMQs - even the much touted knock on effects through morale etc. But one thing this time I think is that Boris seems to me to have a lot of personal enemies across the media, including in the usual Tory papers, and particularly in broadcasting. A mixture probably of natural envy of one of their own, some real old resentments and a feeling he just doesn’t deserve the breaks he’s had. Over familiarity has bred contempt. So the widespread picking up of Starmers successful points scoring in the last couple of weeks may become a regular thing and become a problem for him. He is clearly at the moment refraining from hitting back at Starmer, who is playing a skilful hand, sounding constructive while doing what he can to undermine confidence. How the two will fare when both have the gloves off I’m not sure. Looks like a classic rapier v bludgeon. Simply as someone who enjoys a decent tussle , and after the truly awful period of Corbyn against May, I am rather looking forward to it. A further minor point is that Boris’s style is far more suited to a full and lively House than the courtroom atmosphere in which Starmer is understandably comfortable. someone has to look forward to it i guess
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 15, 2020 14:58:01 GMT
A very different contest was Hague vs Blair. Hague was rather effective at PMQs. He was often funny. He was sharp. He riled Blair a lot. Fat lot of good it did him.
And that was also despite the petrol distribution network almost collapsing in the sort of strike that just demonstrates to the Tory base that Labour governments are laughably incompetent. 2001 was a real shock of a result – I've mentioned before that my enduring memory of that campaign is going out canvassing in Birmingham Hall Green because Nigel Hastilow had Edgbaston in the bag – that the net gains in the end amounted to selecting George Osborne rather than Neil Hamilton in Tatton was absolutely crushing. And if anything, I think this is worse for Labour than it was for us then. To the man in the street, William Hague ought to have been more likeable than John Major. Labour's leadership has moved in the opposite direction, from Jeremy Corbyn's life-long Euroscepticism crumbling in the face of being held hostage by his shadow cabinet to a genuine copper-bottomed metropolitan type in Sir Keir Starmer. At least people could concede that Corbyn sincerely meant well, despite Marxism, the IRA, and Venezuela. I suspect that the response in much of the country to Sir Keir is that he is just another North London Europhile too-many-tweets, whose record in prosecuting all the wrong people only makes matters worse. I can't even see ageing hippies in a muddy field in Somerset chanting "Oh Sir Keir"...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 14:58:26 GMT
Starmer bounce in effect. At the moment seems to be via squeezing LD and Green though, which wont be enough to win. But he's having a good first month; Covid is his ideal kind of issue really - needs forensic ability. Whether Starmer will be able to handle Boris in a couple of years when we're back to talking about immigration rights of EU workers coming for jobs, remains to be seen. relatively speaking. Labour still trail by 19 points. Covid 19 has given the government a solid lead over opposition parties and people continue to give the government a thumbs up at least in this poll with a +6 on handling the crisis and +29 on communicating information about covid 19
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Post by yellowperil on May 15, 2020 15:00:53 GMT
He will recover but it will take time. I had full-on proper influenza in the 1999 pandemic and it knocked me out totally for 2 weeks and took me 3 months to get back to full strength afterwards. They are fierce diseases. Johnson's inability to "take it easy" (both as PM and also given the crisis) may hinder him more. I don't suppose he's taking his parental responsibilities too seriously, or he could be in for a few sleepless nights on that account as well.
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Post by matureleft on May 15, 2020 16:53:32 GMT
A very different contest was Hague vs Blair. Hague was rather effective at PMQs. He was often funny. He was sharp. He riled Blair a lot. Fat lot of good it did him.
And that was also despite the petrol distribution network almost collapsing in the sort of strike that just demonstrates to the Tory base that Labour governments are laughably incompetent. 2001 was a real shock of a result – I've mentioned before that my enduring memory of that campaign is going out canvassing in Birmingham Hall Green because Nigel Hastilow had Edgbaston in the bag – that the net gains in the end amounted to selecting George Osborne rather than Neil Hamilton in Tatton was absolutely crushing. And if anything, I think this is worse for Labour than it was for us then. To the man in the street, William Hague ought to have been more likeable than John Major. Labour's leadership has moved in the opposite direction, from Jeremy Corbyn's life-long Euroscepticism crumbling in the face of being held hostage by his shadow cabinet to a genuine copper-bottomed metropolitan type in Sir Keir Starmer. At least people could concede that Corbyn sincerely meant well, despite Marxism, the IRA, and Venezuela. I suspect that the response in much of the country to Sir Keir is that he is just another North London Europhile too-many-tweets, whose record in prosecuting all the wrong people only makes matters worse. I can't even see ageing hippies in a muddy field in Somerset chanting "Oh Sir Keir"... Now that is crystal ball gazing. We have to get through this crisis, followed by the inevitable post-mortem. Then we have the final act of Brexit and its immediate consequences. The election is most unlikely to be less than 3 years after that. No doubt there will be attempts to paint Starmer as a died-in-the-wool Remainer, secretly determined to bring us back into the thrall of the EU.
First, he's too smart to contribute to that picture. Secondly, we'll have the evidence as to whether this has been a positive or negative experience for most people. Reminding people of battles fought in the past will have limited (but not no) appeal. They'll want to weigh the optimistic messages against their realities. Elections are largely lost by governments not won by oppositions. Labour is likely to avoid most of the self-inflicted harm done in 2019 but they will need a credible narrative and team, and, most importantly, some missteps by the government. We may find that this episode provides some when the dust settles. We may also find that the economy craters, not just through the virus but also through the (consensually agreed, even by most informed Leavers) initial shock of Leave. The Tories need to hold ground in some previously alien territory where expectations may be unreasonably high. A broken economy will make paybacks hard.
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 19, 2020 9:14:18 GMT
I mean depending on how serious the infection was (and he was in intensive care and not far off being put on a ventilator so it was clearly very serious) he might never be back to how he was before this. A virus like that can have long term impacts on health. He was clearly on a ventilator; you are not put on a CCU/ICU Covid-19 ward at the height of the early peak in St. Thomas's Hospital to be 'near a ventilator'. Mr Johnson himself said he had to have 'litres and litres of oxygen'. It is one of the big lies of the early part of this period that the PM was fully engaged in overseeing the running of the country. Nobody working in hospitals bought it, but the 'it isn't really that serious' brigade used it to ignore the need to follow social distancing advice. He looks pretty dreadful and many of those I know who have come off CCU due to Covid-19 are taking a fair time to recover completely, with no idea about long-term problems. I hope he fully recovers, but needed to be recovering for a longer period. It isn't the war, we don't need a figure-head PM to 'get us through this'.
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Post by Vibe on May 19, 2020 21:40:50 GMT
I mean depending on how serious the infection was (and he was in intensive care and not far off being put on a ventilator so it was clearly very serious) he might never be back to how he was before this. A virus like that can have long term impacts on health. He was clearly on a ventilator; you are not put on a CCU/ICU Covid-19 ward at the height of the early peak in St. Thomas's Hospital to be 'near a ventilator'. Mr Johnson himself said he had to have 'litres and litres of oxygen'. It is one of the big lies of the early part of this period that the PM was fully engaged in overseeing the running of the country. Nobody working in hospitals bought it, but the 'it isn't really that serious' brigade used it to ignore the need to follow social distancing advice. He looks pretty dreadful and many of those I know who have come off CCU due to Covid-19 are taking a fair time to recover completely, with no idea about long-term problems. I hope he fully recovers, but needed to be recovering for a longer period. It isn't the war, we don't need a figure-head PM to 'get us through this'. Could have been on CPAP - a form of ventilator where you arent intubated.
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 20, 2020 14:33:37 GMT
He was clearly on a ventilator; you are not put on a CCU/ICU Covid-19 ward at the height of the early peak in St. Thomas's Hospital to be 'near a ventilator'. Mr Johnson himself said he had to have 'litres and litres of oxygen'. It is one of the big lies of the early part of this period that the PM was fully engaged in overseeing the running of the country. Nobody working in hospitals bought it, but the 'it isn't really that serious' brigade used it to ignore the need to follow social distancing advice. He looks pretty dreadful and many of those I know who have come off CCU due to Covid-19 are taking a fair time to recover completely, with no idea about long-term problems. I hope he fully recovers, but needed to be recovering for a longer period. It isn't the war, we don't need a figure-head PM to 'get us through this'. Could have been on CPAP - a form of ventilator where you arent intubated. Not in either the CCU or ITU in that hospital at that time. He would have been on a CPAP on other Corvid-19 wards, but why move him to the CCU? Only for intubation at that time as his condition had clearly and quickly deteriorated so as to cause serious concern of risk to his life. The two nurses with him as well is something that is practise on CCUs during intubation and then post-intubation when a CPAP would be used.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 18, 2020 16:30:01 GMT
Kantar opinion poll, changes since the GE:
Con -1.7% Lab +2.1% LD -3.8% Green +1.2% BRX -0.1%
Baxtered: Con 347, Lab 220, LD 6
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 15, 2020 16:00:54 GMT
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Sept 23, 2020 11:31:15 GMT
We seem to have missed a few Kanta polls on this thread, and pleasingly their frequency seems to be increasing making the +/- change more meaningful
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Post by cogload on Sept 23, 2020 12:13:10 GMT
Herding at 40. Which pollster goes under that level first?
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Post by redtony on Sept 23, 2020 21:01:59 GMT
All of the polls in the last week have the Tories stuck on 4.
Have they all been asking the same voters the same question?
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 24, 2020 11:20:40 GMT
Ah we can dream.
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 11, 2020 22:01:21 GMT
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