J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 21, 2015 17:50:13 GMT
In fact I am a good example of the problem. I was working overseas for a lot of the time during the poll tax era and having proved....time and again....that I was out of the country for most of the time, I eventually didn't have to pay it. I was in Hong Kong for the entire life of the Poll Tax, yet I still managed to be sent a court summons for non-payment.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 5, 2015 7:56:13 GMT
In fact I am a good example of the problem. I was working overseas for a lot of the time during the poll tax era and having proved....time and again....that I was out of the country for most of the time, I eventually didn't have to pay it. I was in Hong Kong for the entire life of the Poll Tax, yet I still managed to be sent a court summons for non-payment. I was once sent a court summons for non-payment of a council tax bill for...zero pounds and zero pence.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 5, 2015 8:29:53 GMT
I was sent several of them. In the same post
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 12, 2015 8:11:45 GMT
I was sent several of them. In the same post With mine, they refused to accept their mistake at first, and claimed it was my fault that they'd been unable to find me for ages because I "had not given them my address". Except for the one they'd written to, which they knew because I was paying them council tax from it.
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 21, 2015 19:31:58 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 21, 2015 19:44:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 19:53:57 GMT
Largest Conservative lead from any BPC pollster since January 2010, I believe.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 21, 2015 19:53:45 GMT
Its ComRes so I think the answer is to not bother with a thread at all?
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 21, 2015 19:59:11 GMT
The changes given above don't correspond with the October ComRes poll that appeared on this thread at the time. I don't know whether that was because that was a different type of ComRes poll.
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Post by johnr on Nov 21, 2015 22:04:48 GMT
Methodology change, according to Anthony Wells.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 23:40:21 GMT
I think I'm right in saying that this is the first ever national opinion poll where the gap between the Labour and the UKIP numbers is smaller than the gap between Labour an Conservative numbers In the aftermath of the MPs' expenses scandal and the European Parliament elections of 2009 up until the end of July, Labour were polling in the low 20s (their all time low of 18% was registered by Ipsos MORI between 29-31 May). At the same time the "Others" of which UKIP were classed at the time were polling in the high teens/low 20s. UKIP would have been a large proportion of the "Others".
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 22, 2015 10:19:50 GMT
The changes given above don't correspond with the October ComRes poll that appeared on this thread at the time. I don't know whether that was because that was a different type of ComRes poll. This poll is being compared to their previous online survey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 10:43:11 GMT
Is this the thread for ComRes online? I've renamed the thread "ComRes" to accommodate both their phone and online polls.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 22, 2015 13:42:19 GMT
Aha! The Corbyn effect of moving to the left and winning back defectors to UKIP is starting to work. This and this week's by-elections are a testament to his starting to have a positive effect.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 22, 2015 13:53:11 GMT
42% sounds rather high, not sure I'm convinced. Equally I can't quite believe that Labour are as low as 27%.
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 22, 2015 17:29:35 GMT
Its ComRes. Why bother with analysis when there are bins to hand?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 3:15:48 GMT
Quite amused by the number of "polling experts" and "academic psephologists" on twitter who junk their "just one poll" rule when they find one poll to be particularly exciting. (Anthony Wells is the perennial and excellent exception)
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Post by johnsmith on Nov 23, 2015 7:56:53 GMT
42% sounds rather high, not sure I'm convinced. Equally I can't quite believe that Labour are as low as 27%. I have my doubts as well. But it has definitely been a bad week or two for Corbyn, which has probably had it's effect. But - as long as the bad weeks don't keep coming in succession - any resulting downward move in the polls will be a blip. Until now, the problem a largely hostile media has had is that many of Corbyn's domestic policy positions do actually command widespread public support. A larger majority than ever actually vote Labour agrees with massive social housing construction, a far better and more affordable, less blatantly exploitative, deal for private tenants, better terms and conditions in the workplace, making the better off take their share of the burden, tackling both gross inequality and the often connected issue of poverty, etc. So the media has been forced back onto attacking the fluff and bullshit, eg did he bow with sufficient respect, did he kiss the hand of the Queen, did he bow and scrape enough? Most of the public would have despaired at that before very long and were already starting to, tired of it, seeing it as irrelevant, and simply despising the press even more. But Corbyn's policy positions re immigration, foreign policy in general and the Middle East in particular, and nuclear weaponry are far more readily open to attack, and potentially far more against the grain of majority public opinion. And the latest atrocities inspired by ISIS in Paris have ratcheted up a growing sense amongst the public that this evil regime must be tackled militarily, whilst the apparent entry of some of the terrorists into Europe amongst the refugees has added a whole new level of public concern to the immigration debate. Corbyn is potentially very weak on these issues and the media have finally realised it, and are targeting him in these areas now with real substance instead of pitiful fluff. The best possible compromise he can make with his parliamentary party now is to give ground on these issues in return for greater PLP acceptance for a substantial part of his domestic agenda. But that's the sort of thing that's easy to say and perhaps nowhere near as easy to do. And the very fact that Corbyn is such a principled man only serves to make it all the more difficult for him to make the necessary compromises to win over the public, which is what really matters.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 23, 2015 22:20:58 GMT
How can UKIP have gone up from their last poll reading of 15% by 1% and now record at 11%?
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 23, 2015 22:40:04 GMT
How can UKIP have gone up from their last poll reading of 15% by 1% and now record at 11%? Maybe one was a phone poll and the other an online poll. Not sure.
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