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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 22, 2023 22:22:45 GMT
All of them were Brexit Party MEPs. But not members. Didn't Farage initially structure the party so that he was about the only member with everyone else a supporter? The Geert Wilders Gambit. |
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Post by johnyorks on Mar 28, 2023 19:17:07 GMT
I was chatting with my Mum earlier, who supported Brexit (gone from being on the anti-Common Market left to the pro-Brexit Johnsonite Conservatives, whilst remaining a CND supporter, because, well, people are not obvious) and chatted about the announcement - when I said that almost every voter would ask of all but one "Who are they?" she was quick to correct me, "No Gerard, they would ask "Whom are they?", and I have to admit, except for Anne Widdecombe, I have no idea." She kind of likes Keir Starmer: "He speaks clearly, and dresses well". Tbf those characteristics of Starmer your mother highlights are two such ones I like about Barry Gardiner. |
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Post by aargauer on Mar 28, 2023 20:16:52 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. |
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 28, 2023 20:18:52 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. Although "thee/thou" is the "T" half of a T/V distinction which has disappeared whereas "whom" is a remnant of a grammatical case system that has disappeared |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 28, 2023 20:56:54 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. My pronouns are is/eius/eium/eum/eo. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 28, 2023 21:33:48 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. Take it up with my Mum - you won't enjoy the experience. 😁😁 |
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Post by peterl on Mar 28, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. As ever, the solution is not more modernism but restoring the greatness of the past. Does thou not concur? |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Mar 28, 2023 22:00:43 GMT
'Dost thou not concur' - get it right ffs
Also 'whom' patterns with 'him' and 'them' so the case distinction has not quite disappeared
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 28, 2023 23:46:40 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. Disappointed but not surprised. |
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 28, 2023 23:56:26 GMT
'Dost thou not concur' - get it right ffs Also 'whom' patterns with 'him' and 'them' so the case distinction has not quite disappeared Dost ðou, þank you. And as none of us know each oðer, it should be "you" |
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Post by aargauer on Mar 29, 2023 5:55:16 GMT
'Dost thou not concur' - get it right ffs Also 'whom' patterns with 'him' and 'them' so the case distinction has not quite disappeared Dost ðou, þank you. And as none of us know each oðer, it should be "you" Its funny how lack of familiarity with "thou", and it's use in the bible makes people think it's the polite version. Are we unique in losing our rude "you" and keeping our polite "you"? It's normally the other way around. |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Mar 29, 2023 9:38:12 GMT
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 29, 2023 11:20:13 GMT
Finnish is losing its t/v distinction as younger people abandon the formal te and just sinä (spoken sä) with everyone. Many older people, however still prefer to be addressed as te by people they don't know.
However, this means that lots of people will always sä with younger people but will use te with older people when required. In turn, this means some older people don't particularly like being addressed as te, because the point at which people change how they address you is one of the markers of being old!
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 29, 2023 12:02:32 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. My pronouns are is/eius/eium/eum/eo. Disappointed that you edited this. I rather liked the idea of emu for antipodean Romans. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 29, 2023 12:11:01 GMT
My pronouns are is/eius/eium/eum/eo. Disappointed that you edited this. I rather liked the idea of emu for antipodean Romans. That amused me when I re-read it this morning, having been somewhat tired and emotional when I posted it, so attention to detail was somewhat lacking! I remember back in the day when the BBC News would display a picture relevant to the story being discussed and a one or two word headline, there was an occasion where the news story was about Tony Blair and the European Monetary Union. Tony Blair being captioned as an EMU amused me a lot at the time. And since. |
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 29, 2023 12:36:32 GMT
Finnish is losing its t/v distinction as younger people abandon the formal te and just sinä (spoken sä) with everyone. Many older people, however still prefer to be addressed as te by people they don't know. However, this means that lots of people will always sä with younger people but will use te with older people when required. In turn, this means some older people don't particularly like being addressed as te, because the point at which people change how they address you is one of the markers of being old! Which emphasises that t/v distinctions are a cultural minefield. The only good thing is that as a foreigner you will be excused for getting it wrong. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 29, 2023 13:00:02 GMT
Finnish is losing its t/v distinction as younger people abandon the formal te and just sinä (spoken sä) with everyone. Many older people, however still prefer to be addressed as te by people they don't know. However, this means that lots of people will always sä with younger people but will use te with older people when required. In turn, this means some older people don't particularly like being addressed as te, because the point at which people change how they address you is one of the markers of being old! When i was 20 we had a French family visiting us for a holiday. I was slightly surprised (but not offended) when the 12-year-old called me “tu” rather than “vous” but i reckoned it was a generational thing rather than an age thing. Finnish (and Turkish, and whatever) also has the advantage of not having a third-person he/she distinction. If all languages adopted a single third-person singular pronoun to encompass he or she or he/she or ze/xir, then it would kill stone dead all the acrimonious nonsense about woke trans pronouns. Perhaps there could be a science-fiction film about a character who travels back in time to fix the Proto-Indo-European language(s) accordingly, to nip it in the bud. |
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 29, 2023 13:04:35 GMT
Finnish is losing its t/v distinction as younger people abandon the formal te and just sinä (spoken sä) with everyone. Many older people, however still prefer to be addressed as te by people they don't know. However, this means that lots of people will always sä with younger people but will use te with older people when required. In turn, this means some older people don't particularly like being addressed as te, because the point at which people change how they address you is one of the markers of being old! When i was 20 we had a French family visiting us for a holiday. I was slightly surprised (but not offended) when the 12-year-old called me “tu” rather than “vous” but i reckoned it was a generational thing rather than an age thing. Finnish (and Turkish, and whatever) also has the advantage of not having a third-person he/she distinction. If all languages adopted a single third-person singular pronoun to encompass he or she or he/she or ze/xir, then it would kill stone dead all the acrimonious nonsense about woke trans pronouns. Perhaps there could be a science-fiction film about a character who travels back in time to fix the Proto-Indo-European language(s) accordingly, to nip it in the bud. The only science fiction story I know that focuses on linguistics is Samuel Delany's Babel 17. Old but recommended. |
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Post by islington on Mar 29, 2023 13:04:39 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. Take it up with my Mum - you won't enjoy the experience. 😁😁 You may like to take it up with her because 'Whom are they?' is incorrect: it should be 'Who'.
If you don't care to raise the subject, just let me have her address and I'd gladly pop round for a cup of tea and a grammatical chat. I'll wear armour.
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 29, 2023 13:26:11 GMT
Finnish is losing its t/v distinction as younger people abandon the formal te and just sinä (spoken sä) with everyone. Many older people, however still prefer to be addressed as te by people they don't know. However, this means that lots of people will always sä with younger people but will use te with older people when required. In turn, this means some older people don't particularly like being addressed as te, because the point at which people change how they address you is one of the markers of being old! When i was 20 we had a French family visiting us for a holiday. I was slightly surprised (but not offended) when the 12-year-old called me “tu” rather than “vous” but i reckoned it was a generational thing rather than an age thing. Finnish (and Turkish, and whatever) also has the advantage of not having a third-person he/she distinction. If all languages adopted a single third-person singular pronoun to encompass he or she or he/she or ze/xir, then it would kill stone dead all the acrimonious nonsense about woke trans pronouns. Perhaps there could be a science-fiction film about a character who travels back in time to fix the Proto-Indo-European language(s) accordingly, to nip it in the bud. In French it can be a real minefield. One very effective way of changing the tone of an argument with a friend is (or can be) to change from "tu" to "vous". I have seen at least one joke about Chirac getting his wife to call him "vous" but I have absolutely no idea where it comes from (and am several decades to young to know as well) |
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