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Post by aargauer on Jul 19, 2022 11:08:00 GMT
Yes. he is well respected in his field, and wouldn't be short of alternative offers. Mike, it is quite amazing how 'respected' and 'popular' Conservatives become when they rebel and show that they are not really conservative! Like Antoinette Sandbach, although I wouldn't say that to her face!
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 19, 2022 11:17:58 GMT
Catslaughter? Although that sounds worse. Much worse. Ellwood's windows were broken in retaliation.
with a croquet mallet.
Are you sure? We were told it was a crochet stick!
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 19, 2022 11:20:20 GMT
Ellwood's windows were broken in retaliation.
with a croquet mallet.
Are you sure? We were told it was a crochet stick! Don't be a knit.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 19, 2022 11:27:18 GMT
Are you sure? We were told it was a crochet stick! Don't be a knit. It is cross-stitch for a crosspatch! I do know that crochet does not employ a cross-stitch before the 'Knit-pickers' get on to me.
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Post by iain on Jul 19, 2022 12:18:22 GMT
Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. Presumably with the consent of the whips. Of course Johnson would have taken this decision with relish but it is standard parliamentary discipline. Well yes - but by all accounts the Whips were fairly relaxed about other MPs missing the vote (including I note, John Baron, who had openly speculated about voting against the government). Of course they can do what they like (makes no odds to me), but if that isn’t petty score settling I’m not sure what is.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 19, 2022 12:27:07 GMT
Though several other MPs also didn't attend - so sounds like a bit of personal score settling rather than a principled decision. There are usually a few *agreed* absences even from VONCs. This one evidently wasn't, and as already mentioned there is the Allason precedent. (he was of course re-admitted in due course, so that he could famously lose by 12 votes in the 1997 GE) Had a look at Wikipedia and saw this interesting tit-bit “ He is widely considered to have lost because he failed to tip a pub waitress a week before polling day. As a consequence, fourteen waiters who were going to vote for Allason switched to the Liberal Democrats. He lost by twelve votes.[4]”
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 19, 2022 13:45:24 GMT
There are usually a few *agreed* absences even from VONCs. This one evidently wasn't, and as already mentioned there is the Allason precedent. (he was of course re-admitted in due course, so that he could famously lose by 12 votes in the 1997 GE) Had a look at Wikipedia and saw this interesting tit-bit “ He is widely considered to have lost because he failed to tip a pub waitress a week before polling day. As a consequence, fourteen waiters who were going to vote for Allason switched to the Liberal Democrats. He lost by twelve votes.[4]” A perfectly reasonable action so as to remove any possible accusations of bribery.
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 19, 2022 14:13:33 GMT
"Lib Dems: Tory leadership hopefuls must restore whip The Liberal Democrats have accused Boris Johnson of being "petty" after he suspended Tobias Ellwood. Wendy Chamberlain, the party's chief whip, siad: "It is telling that Boris Johnson acted swiftly to punish Tobias Ellwood this time, but dragged his feet for days when it came to suspending the whip from his loyal supporter Chris Pincher. “This petty act shows there is no room in the Conservatives any more for those who refuse to prop up Johnson. The Conservative leadership candidates should condemn this move and make clear they will restore the whip to Tobias Ellwood."" www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/19/tory-leadership-vote-today-sunak-badenoch-truss-penny-mordaunt/Maybe the LDs are hopeful of a defection. "Cat-murdering MP Ellwood joins Lib Dems". Hmmm ... Makes a change from Liberal MPs murdering dogs.
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Post by batman on Jul 19, 2022 14:35:54 GMT
Presumably with the consent of the whips. Of course Johnson would have taken this decision with relish but it is standard parliamentary discipline. So, if the whips could make allowances for others, why not him? Its clearly personal dislike, but I doubt Ellwood cares, as I'm sure he would have not wished to vote confidence in Johnson's government in any case. I don't really see him defecting, he is more of a Rory Stewart figure likely to be independent, though Richard Foord may well be dispatched to have a friendly word! well yes sort of, although Rory Stewart did actually leave the Conservative Party didn't he, he wasn't expelled
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 19, 2022 14:36:07 GMT
And furthermore this must be the same MP who keeps abstaining in the Conservative Party leadership contest. Not necessarily. There was 100% turnout in the no confidence vote so he did take part in that and therefore presumably could take part in the leadership election as well (maybe by proxy). I'd assumed it was Boris himself who was the abstainer. I believe it's been announced that the abstainer was Andrew Stephenson, in his capacity as chair of the Conservative Party.
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Post by batman on Jul 19, 2022 14:39:29 GMT
There are usually a few *agreed* absences even from VONCs. This one evidently wasn't, and as already mentioned there is the Allason precedent. (he was of course re-admitted in due course, so that he could famously lose by 12 votes in the 1997 GE) Had a look at Wikipedia and saw this interesting tit-bit “ He is widely considered to have lost because he failed to tip a pub waitress a week before polling day. As a consequence, fourteen waiters who were going to vote for Allason switched to the Liberal Democrats. He lost by twelve votes.[4]” that sounds like bullshit to me
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Post by iang on Jul 19, 2022 14:40:59 GMT
I think the story comes from the "Were you still up for Portillo?" book, although that doesn't make it true of course
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 19, 2022 14:52:13 GMT
Had a look at Wikipedia and saw this interesting tit-bit “ He is widely considered to have lost because he failed to tip a pub waitress a week before polling day. As a consequence, fourteen waiters who were going to vote for Allason switched to the Liberal Democrats. He lost by twelve votes.[4]” that sounds like bullshit to me been widely quoted from what i remember
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Post by neilm on Jul 19, 2022 14:58:46 GMT
'Ellwood was in Moldova. A Conservative Party source said: “Other Conservative MPs cancelled foreign trips, left poorly relatives and one MP’s mother died on the morning of the vote and still attended and voted.”'
I'm interested as to who the one with the dead mother is, so I can mark them down as 'lacks integrity.'
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Post by cuthbertbede on Jul 19, 2022 18:37:39 GMT
'Ellwood was in Moldova. A Conservative Party source said: “Other Conservative MPs cancelled foreign trips, left poorly relatives and one MP’s mother died on the morning of the vote and still attended and voted.”' I'm interested as to why the one with the dead mother is, so I can mark them down as 'lacks integrity.' Sir Bernard Jenkin, I think. See his opening speech in this morning's debate on pylons.
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Post by peterl on Jul 19, 2022 18:43:41 GMT
'Ellwood was in Moldova. A Conservative Party source said: “Other Conservative MPs cancelled foreign trips, left poorly relatives and one MP’s mother died on the morning of the vote and still attended and voted.”' I'm interested as to why the one with the dead mother is, so I can mark them down as 'lacks integrity.' Sir Bernard Jenkin, I think. See his opening speech in this morning's debate on pylons. A debate on pylons. Not exactly a high point!
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 19, 2022 18:46:40 GMT
A debate on pylons. Not exactly a high point! I for one am surprised to hear that the Commons have been debating Ancient Egyptian temple architecture, but pleased. Maybe civilisation is under less threat than I had thought.
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Post by batman on Jul 19, 2022 18:53:13 GMT
They may have been debating those stone columns on the A23 as you enter the City of Brighton & Hove - those pylons were put there by Brighton Council in 1928 when the town greatly expanded its boundaries
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 19, 2022 19:42:07 GMT
They may have been debating those stone columns on the A23 as you enter the City of Brighton & Hove - those pylons were put there by Brighton Council in 1928 when the town greatly expanded its boundaries What, hang on, in 1928 Brighton embarked on a campaign of conquest and put up stone columns to mark the territory seized by their legions?
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Post by batman on Jul 19, 2022 19:50:03 GMT
exactly so. It was spearheaded by Alderman Herbert Carden, originally an independent socialist councillor, who believed passionately in expanding & reforming Brighton. Some of his wackier ideas, thankfully, were not adopted.
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