Parliamentary defections

[anthony]

Nov 30, 2012 17:19:25 GMT The Bishop said:

Maybe, but factually accurate

Henley? Newbury?

[The Bishop]

8th place??

[tricky]

Dec 1, 2012 12:56:29 GMT Richard Allen said:

Dec 1, 2012 0:18:51 GMT Sibboleth said:

Hopefully in the constituency formerly known as Leominster.

This is one of the few seats where we already have a PPC in place. Whether the NEC would allow him to stand in a by election is another matter completely as some might argue that he would not be entirely suited to such a high profile election.

Possibly the least subtly coded comment of all time! We've all got the sort of candidate that would be an issue if they were ever elected. I remember the Tory candidate in Hazel Grove in 2001 - absolute nightmare for them if she was ever elected.

[The Bishop]

There were a few who we *did* get elected in 1997, where we soon wished we hadn't. No names, obviously

[Richard Allen]

Dec 1, 2012 22:56:32 GMT tricky said:

Dec 1, 2012 12:56:29 GMT Richard Allen said:

This is one of the few seats where we already have a PPC in place. Whether the NEC would allow him to stand in a by election is another matter completely as some might argue that he would not be entirely suited to such a high profile election.

Possibly the least subtly coded comment of all time! We've all got the sort of candidate that would be an issue if they were ever elected. I remember the Tory candidate in Hazel Grove in 2001 - absolute nightmare for them if she was ever elected.

Well I don't think I am giving away any secrets if I say that some of our candidates aren't quite ideal MP material and for a party at our stage of development this is quite natural. We also have a large number who could probably do okay if we had a major breakthrough at a general election and got a dozen or so MPs elected but who would not really be suited to be the party's only MP. I think the later would probably be true of many MPs who sit in the House today.

[iainbhx]

Dec 1, 2012 22:56:32 GMT tricky said:

Dec 1, 2012 12:56:29 GMT Richard Allen said:

This is one of the few seats where we already have a PPC in place. Whether the NEC would allow him to stand in a by election is another matter completely as some might argue that he would not be entirely suited to such a high profile election.

Possibly the least subtly coded comment of all time! We've all got the sort of candidate that would be an issue if they were ever elected. I remember the Tory candidate in Hazel Grove in 2001 - absolute nightmare for them if she was ever elected.

Which of course she was and has been a nightmare since, especially with her recent trip to the Jungle.

[baloo]

There was a Lib Dem candidate in Montgomeryshire years back, Lembit something or other, would have been a disaster for his party if he got elected! He may even have cost them a safe seat.

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Dec 1, 2012 23:32:13 GMT Richard Allen said:

Dec 1, 2012 22:56:32 GMT tricky said:

Possibly the least subtly coded comment of all time! We've all got the sort of candidate that would be an issue if they were ever elected. I remember the Tory candidate in Hazel Grove in 2001 - absolute nightmare for them if she was ever elected.

Well I don't think I am giving away any secrets if I say that some of our candidates aren't quite ideal MP material and for a party at our stage of development this is quite natural. We also have a large number who could probably do okay if we had a major breakthrough at a general election and got a dozen or so MPs elected but who would not really be suited to be the party's only MP. I think the later would probably be true of many MPs who sit in the House today.

good point but from a totally partisan POV I have to say our new intake from 2010 and since have been very impressive. Whether we have got quality candidates or something else is happening the selections do seem to be working.

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Dec 2, 2012 10:39:16 GMT @ianrobo said:

Dec 1, 2012 23:32:13 GMT Richard Allen said:

Well I don't think I am giving away any secrets if I say that some of our candidates aren't quite ideal MP material and for a party at our stage of development this is quite natural. We also have a large number who could probably do okay if we had a major breakthrough at a general election and got a dozen or so MPs elected but who would not really be suited to be the party's only MP. I think the later would probably be true of many MPs who sit in the House today.

good point but from a totally partisan POV I have to say our new intake from 2010 and since have been very impressive. Whether we have got quality candidates or something else is happening the selections do seem to be working.

Am sorry but Labour can't really say they have a selection process of any credibility when for one of the Birmingham seats a bloke won selection on what was wanted to be a all woman short list simply because he was a union leader and husband of someone in the cabinet.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Dec 2, 2012 11:53:53 GMT justlooking said:

Am sorry but Labour can't really say they have a selection process of any credibility when for one of the Birmingham seats a bloke won selection on what was wanted to be a all woman short list simply because he was a union leader and husband of someone in the cabinet.

It wasn't supposed to be an all-woman shortlist, the candidate had fought and lost several previous selections, and his history of Labour movement activity goes back four decades and before his marriage. But apart from that ...

[baloo]

Dec 2, 2012 12:22:48 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Dec 2, 2012 11:53:53 GMT justlooking said:

Am sorry but Labour can't really say they have a selection process of any credibility when for one of the Birmingham seats a bloke won selection on what was wanted to be a all woman short list simply because he was a union leader and husband of someone in the cabinet.

It wasn't supposed to be an all-woman shortlist, the candidate had fought and lost several previous selections, and his history of Labour movement activity goes back four decades and before his marriage. But apart from that ...

Obviously I defer to your superior knowledge on this, but I was under the impression that Labour Party policy at the time was that where one of their MP's stood down they had to be replaced by a woman candidate, was that not the case in this seat?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Dec 2, 2012 13:12:52 GMT baloo said:

Obviously I defer to your superior knowledge on this, but I was under the impression that Labour Party policy at the time was that where one of their MP's stood down they had to be replaced by a woman candidate, was that not the case in this seat?

No. All-woman shortlists were put in place on half of seats held by retiring Labour MPs.

The principle of putting in all-woman shortlists in all seats where the sitting MP retired late was agreed for previous Parliaments but not systematically enforced even then.

[Deleted]

Dec 2, 2012 13:12:52 GMT baloo said:

Dec 2, 2012 12:22:48 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

It wasn't supposed to be an all-woman shortlist, the candidate had fought and lost several previous selections, and his history of Labour movement activity goes back four decades and before his marriage. But apart from that ...

Obviously I defer to your superior knowledge on this, but I was under the impression that Labour Party policy at the time was that where one of their MP's stood down they had to be replaced by a woman candidate, was that not the case in this seat?

and in the selection Dromey did have strong local candidates against him and blasted them away. It is obvious the Tories locally hated that, was because he is a bloody good campaigner ?

Would a sitting Tory MP for Erdington had been that concerned over the progress of JAguar ?

[baloo]

Dec 2, 2012 13:36:05 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Dec 2, 2012 13:12:52 GMT baloo said:

Obviously I defer to your superior knowledge on this, but I was under the impression that Labour Party policy at the time was that where one of their MP's stood down they had to be replaced by a woman candidate, was that not the case in this seat?

No. All-woman shortlists were put in place on half of seats held by retiring Labour MPs.

The principle of putting in all-woman shortlists in all seats where the sitting MP retired late was agreed for previous Parliaments but not systematically enforced even then.

Thanks for that David.

Ianrobbo, as ever you miss the point of my question completely.

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as usual I do not, I know for a fact an AWS was not needed in Erdington as we had one imposed in Walsall South after Bruce George resigned, at the same time.

[iainbhx]

Dec 2, 2012 13:38:55 GMT @ianrobo said:

and in the selection Dromey did have strong local candidates against him and blasted them away. It is obvious the Tories locally hated that, was because he is a bloody good campaigner ?

You so funny.

None of those candidates was strong, it was almost as if they were picked not to appeal to the prejudices of the Erdington selectorate.

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Dec 2, 2012 15:42:34 GMT iainbhx said:

Dec 2, 2012 13:38:55 GMT @ianrobo said:

and in the selection Dromey did have strong local candidates against him and blasted them away. It is obvious the Tories locally hated that, was because he is a bloody good campaigner ?

You so funny.

None of those candidates was strong, it was almost as if they were picked not to appeal to the prejudices of the Erdington selectorate.

come on, Dromey would have won any selection against any other candidate in Erdington. The bitterness of esp the Erdington Tories towards him is laughable because I see him far more doing things for Erdington than I ever see of Mitchell in next door sutton.

[iainbhx]

Dec 2, 2012 15:45:03 GMT @ianrobo said:

Dec 2, 2012 15:42:34 GMT iainbhx said:

You so funny.

None of those candidates was strong, it was almost as if they were picked not to appeal to the prejudices of the Erdington selectorate.

come on, Dromey would have won any selection against any other candidate in Erdington. The bitterness of esp the Erdington Tories towards him is laughable because I see him far more doing things for Erdington than I ever see of Mitchell in next door sutton.

Oh look, the goalposts have gone for a wander again. What a surprise.

You said the other candidates were strong, defend that one. Not come up with some of your hokum that Dromey would have won anyway (and with the amount of Union Love he had, that's probably true).

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so what he comes from an union, you not aware of our history then ?

You may not think much of Steve Bedser et al but lets face who would have wanted to be in a selection with Dromey, pointless once he put his name forward.

It does seem with political opponents you get a sense of bitterness plans do not work. I can guarantee at the next election the Labour Majority in Erdington would be far bigger regardless of the general political scene.

[iainbhx]

Dec 2, 2012 15:58:44 GMT @ianrobo said:

so Whataboutery elided.

Again, not addressing the question. Why were they strong candidates, I'm fascinated to know why?