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Post by ilerda on Dec 27, 2020 12:21:34 GMT
Surely they ought to go for Waltzing Matilda? This will never happen because it has no mention of Aboriginal Australians and so would be seen as whitewashing. Still a good tune though.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 27, 2020 13:08:16 GMT
Surely they ought to go for Waltzing Matilda? or even "And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" ?
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 27, 2020 13:10:16 GMT
..or Tie me kangaroo down sport. Inoffensive on so many levels
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Post by zoe on Dec 27, 2020 13:24:10 GMT
I come from a land down under?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Dec 27, 2020 16:19:32 GMT
Surely they ought to go for Waltzing Matilda? It’s been suggested, but unlike “I Am Australian” it makes no reference to the First Footers, which is largely the driving force behind change. Aren't those the guys who knock on your door as the last stroke of midnight chimes on 1st January and deliver a lump of coal to you?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 27, 2020 17:54:43 GMT
Me too! Went to the school directly behind it and the first cinema I went to. Small world! And no more.... Indeed. I used to go to the Essoldo Cinema in Reddish and the Palace (fleapit) in Levenshulme. Blimey, there are some names you don't often hear mentioned. I can't picture where the Davenport would have been- I think it might now be under the Kwik Fit on the A6. They survived a long old time, some into the early 2000s. I grew up round the corner from the Curzon in Urmston (now a dance school), and regularly was taken to the Tatton in Gatley and the Fleapit in Walkden (can't remember the real name!).
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 27, 2020 17:58:30 GMT
Indeed. I used to go to the Essoldo Cinema in Reddish and the Palace (fleapit) in Levenshulme. Blimey, there are some names you don't often hear mentioned. I can't picture where the Davenport would have been- I think it might now be under the Kwik Fit on the A6. They survived a long old time, some into the early 2000s. I grew up round the corner from the Curzon in Urmston (now a dance school), and regularly was taken to the Tatton in Gatley and the Fleapit in Walkden (can't remember the real name!). Unit Four?
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 27, 2020 22:36:41 GMT
It’s been suggested, but unlike “I Am Australian” it makes no reference to the First Footers, which is largely the driving force behind change. Aren't those the guys who knock on your door as the last stroke of midnight chimes on 1st January and deliver a lump of coal to you? Indeed, but I suspect (😉) they’re different than indigenous Australians.
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Post by Foggy on Dec 28, 2020 1:33:16 GMT
Surely they ought to go for Waltzing Matilda? This will never happen because it has no mention of Aboriginal Australians and so would be seen as whitewashing. Still a good tune though. It uses the term 'billabong' for an oxbow lake, which is of Wiradjuri origin. The song was part of the 1977 referendum, but finished as runner-up to Advance Australia Fair.
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 28, 2020 2:00:25 GMT
This will never happen because it has no mention of Aboriginal Australians and so would be seen as whitewashing. Still a good tune though. It uses the term 'billabong' for an oxbow lake, which is of Wiradjuri origin. The song was part of the 1977 referendum, but finished as runner-up to Advance Australia Fair. The point is acknowledging the traditional ownership of the land of the First Nation, not using a single Aboriginal word.
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Post by Foggy on Dec 28, 2020 2:02:57 GMT
It uses the term 'billabong' for an oxbow lake, which is of Wiradjuri origin. The song was part of the 1977 referendum, but finished as runner-up to Advance Australia Fair. The point is acknowledging the traditional ownership of the land of the First Nation, not using a single Aboriginal word. Yes, I absolutely agree. Some could consider using one word of Aboriginal extraction as more than "no mention" though.
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Post by European Lefty on Dec 28, 2020 11:35:48 GMT
The population of Australia before the arrival of the first Europeans was probably about half a million for a continent with an area of 3 million sq miles. In real terms, it was practically uninhabited. You can make a coherent argument for claiming that the whites stole the Murray basin from the native people but the rest of Australia they largely moved into empty space. You can make an argument that they unknowingly caused genocide by introducing disease. You can suggest that they oppressed the native people and I think that argument is unarguable. Tasmania looks like outright genocide. But the stealing of empty land is not strong. The Aboriginal population is now at least as high as at any point in history, possibly higher. Their per capita wealth is far higher than pre-European arrival. But of course for those for whom poverty, life expectancy and infant mortality matters less than inequality (socialists) they are clearly still oppressed Anyway, this is really good You could make an even better argument that Europeans knowingly committed genocide by murdering Aboriginal Australians for sport and then trying as hard as possible to erase their culture completely. And talking about per capita wealth is utterly meaningless given the complete change to the economic system.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Dec 28, 2020 11:51:01 GMT
The population of Australia before the arrival of the first Europeans was probably about half a million for a continent with an area of 3 million sq miles. In real terms, it was practically uninhabited. You can make a coherent argument for claiming that the whites stole the Murray basin from the native people but the rest of Australia they largely moved into empty space. You can make an argument that they unknowingly caused genocide by introducing disease. You can suggest that they oppressed the native people and I think that argument is unarguable. Tasmania looks like outright genocide. But the stealing of empty land is not strong. The Aboriginal population is now at least as high as at any point in history, possibly higher. Their per capita wealth is far higher than pre-European arrival. But of course for those for whom poverty, life expectancy and infant mortality matters less than inequality (socialists) they are clearly still oppressed Anyway, this is really good You could make an even better argument that Europeans knowingly committed genocide by murdering Aboriginal Australians for sport and then trying as hard as possible to erase their culture completely. And talking about per capita wealth is utterly meaningless given the complete change to the economic system. It's quite possble for you both to be correct.
Edit: That piece is good.
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Post by Foggy on Dec 29, 2020 5:20:04 GMT
I think the genocide and exploitation arguments are pretty much unarguable. But the land theft is the weak link Correct. Because the indigenous peoples of Australia never saw themselves as 'owners' of the land in the first place.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 29, 2020 15:12:35 GMT
Secret Seven was much to be preferred Wow - we have found something we agree about!
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Post by john07 on Dec 29, 2020 17:03:51 GMT
My favourite was The Valley of Adventure That sounds like one of the ‘attractions’ in Fun Land on Craggy Island from the first episode of Father Ted alongside the Tunnel of Goats and the Crane of Death?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 29, 2020 22:14:52 GMT
Julian Lewis is apparently going to get the Conservative whip back tomorrow.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 30, 2020 11:07:37 GMT
My favourite was The Valley of Adventure That sounds like one of the ‘attractions’ in Fun Land on Craggy Island from the first episode of Father Ted alongside the Tunnel of Goats and the Crane of Death? And Tarland.
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Post by iang on Dec 30, 2020 17:37:21 GMT
The group were given a treat of a flight in an aircraft and were all aboard when the pilot went to file his flight plan or something, and the plane was stolen, or they had boarded the wrong plane or something, and the plane thieves were unaware they were on board. They remained undiscovered and when the plane landed in a hidden valley, they made their escape, they discovered a hidden cave which led to a series of tunnels and more caves, where they discovered hidden Nazi-looted treasure, including rugs and furniture as I recall. They also discovered a cave opening behind a waterfall and from there could see the valley. Thye could see the crooks searching the valley below and them approaching the hidden entrance to the cave system, so they willfully made themselves known to the crooks from behind the waterfall to distract them from the real entrance. The crooks now sought to enter via the waterfall which was impossible Then more stuff must have happened because it all ended well Classic Blyton. My favorite Biggles is Biggles in the Baltic I have what must be an early edition of that, which was my mother's - all the aeroplanes were named after Australian things I seem to remember (The Dingo and the Willy-willy). My childhood favourite was Biggles and the Cruise of the Condor
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 30, 2020 19:47:08 GMT
The group were given a treat of a flight in an aircraft and were all aboard when the pilot went to file his flight plan or something, and the plane was stolen, or they had boarded the wrong plane or something, and the plane thieves were unaware they were on board. They remained undiscovered and when the plane landed in a hidden valley, they made their escape, they discovered a hidden cave which led to a series of tunnels and more caves, where they discovered hidden Nazi-looted treasure, including rugs and furniture as I recall. They also discovered a cave opening behind a waterfall and from there could see the valley. Thye could see the crooks searching the valley below and them approaching the hidden entrance to the cave system, so they willfully made themselves known to the crooks from behind the waterfall to distract them from the real entrance. The crooks now sought to enter via the waterfall which was impossible Then more stuff must have happened because it all ended well Classic Blyton. My favorite Biggles is Biggles in the Baltic I have what must be an early edition of that, which was my mother's - all the aeroplanes were named after Australian things I seem to remember (The Dingo and the Willy-willy). My childhood favourite was Biggles and the Cruise of the Condor Not to be confused with Biggles and Connor Cruise O'Brien.
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