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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 1, 2020 16:58:23 GMT
Children Play Nice Pensioners Play Nice Middle Agers Play Nice Every ******* ******* Play Nice Please I thank the Hon Member for his contribution.
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 1, 2020 18:45:33 GMT
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 1, 2020 18:48:21 GMT
Suspended by the Parliamentary Group Leader (not the whip themselves)
I know this is a minor point all things considered, but Ian Blackford really has a big ego doesn’t he?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 1, 2020 19:17:43 GMT
I know this is a minor point all things considered, but Ian Blackford really has a big ego doesn’t he? Is this news?
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Post by johnloony on Oct 1, 2020 21:40:18 GMT
I know this is a minor point all things considered, but Ian Blackford really has a big ego doesn’t he? Is this news? I have a theory that he has a cardboard head
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 1, 2020 21:43:14 GMT
I have a theory that he has a cardboard head Intriguing. Care to elaborate?
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 2, 2020 20:07:12 GMT
49. I'm pleased with that to be honest, considering half these MP's stepped down before I was born.
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Post by tonygreaves on Oct 5, 2020 14:47:11 GMT
I have actually been wondering what an MP (or peer which is why I have been wondering) who lives hundreds of miles from London, and gets a positive test while in London, then does. If they have their own flat or whatever in London they can isolate there. If they stay in a hotel (or whatever) or sharing with someone else, what do they do? I don't know Ferrier's circumstances in London but her first and major error (having gone to London in the first place which was a Cummings error) was not to take advice. (Who from?)
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Post by tonygreaves on Oct 5, 2020 14:57:35 GMT
I have actually been wondering what an MP (or peer which is why I have been wondering) who lives hundreds of miles from London, and gets a positive test while in London, then does. If they have their own flat or whatever in London they can isolate there. If they stay in a hotel (or whatever) or sharing with someone else, what do they do? I don't know Ferrier's circumstances in London but her first and major error (having gone to London in the first place which was a Cummings error) was not to take advice. (Who from?) By coincidence as soon as I looked at my emails after writing this I received the "COVID-19 Bulletin 05.10.20" from the Parliamentary authorities which includes the following: Do not travel to or enter Parliament if you have any symptoms of COVID-19, including a new and persistent cough, fever, or loss of taste/smell.
Immediately take action if you develop symptoms or have a positive COVID-19 test. If you feel unwell and have symptoms of coronavirus (new persistent cough, fever or loss or change in your sense of taste) or have received a positive test result, please inform your manager/whip where possible and immediately make your way home wearing a face covering. Please use private transport to travel whenever possible, or public transport wearing a face covering where there is no alternative.Hm. I wonder if they remembered that "home" for some of us in not in or near Greater London.
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Post by peterl on Oct 5, 2020 15:02:24 GMT
A little different for peers I will grant, but I would think most MPs who live a significant distance from London do have somewhere near to Parliament. Someone who lives say in Leeds is not going to commute every day.
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Post by ilerda on Oct 5, 2020 15:06:19 GMT
As late as Friday last week the official advice from the Parliamentary authorities for those of us on the estate was to isolate in an empty room and contact Parliament's test & trace team if we develop symptoms. Clearly this was deemed to be an unreasonable request (given the lack of an abundance of empty rooms, and also the risk of having a covid carrier wandering around aimlessly opening doors) so they've changed the advice to 'go home'.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 5, 2020 16:49:18 GMT
Can the mods please edit this post as it does not refer to a person by their proper name. Thanks. Passing lightly over the major point that Mr Corbyn is not, and never has been, a member of this forum - let me bring out the minor point that this was intended to convey that such a tweet was characteristic of someone considerably younger and therefore highly unlikely to have actually been written by him anyway. I am Jeremy Corbyn's alter ego.
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Post by tonygreaves on Oct 5, 2020 20:37:02 GMT
A little different for peers I will grant, but I would think most MPs who live a significant distance from London do have somewhere near to Parliament. Someone who lives say in Leeds is not going to commute every day. Most peers from outside the Home Counties will stay overnight in London (not least because we sometimes - at the moment often - sit late). The question is whether the place MPs and peers stay is to be considered to be "home". Some MPs and peers share a flat - if one tests positive what do they do? Some stay in clubs. Some stay in hotels. I imagine that Margaret Ferrier will now argue that the second (and to the world the worse) offence is now within the advice handed out by parliamentary authorities.
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 5, 2020 22:37:47 GMT
A little different for peers I will grant, but I would think most MPs who live a significant distance from London do have somewhere near to Parliament. Someone who lives say in Leeds is not going to commute every day. MPs even have a specific allowance for the express purpose of ensuring they have such a second home.
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 5, 2020 23:11:07 GMT
Looking at the regulations in detail, I'm not convinced she has actually broken the law. Legally, you are only required to self-isolate once you have had confirmation of a positive test. So while the first trip from Scotland to London was in breach of government guidance, it was not illegal. As for the return trip, once she had tested positive she was required to remain in her "home". However if you are not at "home" when you find out about the positive test, you have to be able to return home, so I'm not sure that journey was illegal either. It perhaps depends on her living arrangements in London, and whether she has anything in London that could be considered a "home".
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Post by peterl on Oct 5, 2020 23:19:14 GMT
However, it is hard to imagine that an MP from Scotland does not have somewhere to live in London.
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 5, 2020 23:39:59 GMT
Actually, looking at her expenses claims, she has only claimed for hotels since being elected in December. So unless she has obtained a more permanent home in London in the last few months, I think she can argue that she had no option but to return to Scotland. www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/your-mp/margaret-ferrier/
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 5, 2020 23:42:01 GMT
However, it is hard to imagine that an MP from Scotland does not have somewhere to live in London. The only caveat I’d throw in is that, perhaps in an abundance of caution after the expenses scandal, a sizeable number of MPs are choosing to use their housing allowance to stay in Travelodge type places rather than rent/lease/buy more permanent accommodation, in which case it would have been irresponsible and impractical for her to return there and Scotland would have been the better option. EDIT post cross with greatkingrat saying much the same thing
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 6, 2020 1:51:48 GMT
Actually, looking at her expenses claims, she has only claimed for hotels since being elected in December. So unless she has obtained a more permanent home in London in the last few months, I think she can argue that she had no option but to return to Scotland. www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/your-mp/margaret-ferrier/She should have travelled by private vehicle instead of public transport, unless that was not possible for some reason.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 6, 2020 2:10:47 GMT
Actually, looking at her expenses claims, she has only claimed for hotels since being elected in December. So unless she has obtained a more permanent home in London in the last few months, I think she can argue that she had no option but to return to Scotland. www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/your-mp/margaret-ferrier/She should have travelled by private vehicle instead of public transport, unless that was not possible for some reason. Presumably she would have had to hire a car having travelled to London by train, and then you come to the Cummings conundrum of are you supposed to drive long distance when symptomatic.
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