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Post by Strontium Dog on Aug 20, 2020 19:18:28 GMT
Did you not bother to read the post before mine? I did. I assumed it referred to recent events in Catalonia. Was I wrong? It referenced Spain, but the clear implication was that Welsh nationalists were somehow more pro democracy than the rest of us. That was my take.
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Post by neilm on Aug 20, 2020 19:19:34 GMT
I did. I assumed it referred to recent events in Catalonia. Was I wrong? It referenced Spain, but the clear implication was that Welsh nationalists were somehow more pro democracy than the rest of us. That was my take. And mine.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 20, 2020 22:01:04 GMT
Yep, who can forget Welsh nationalists democratically setting fire to the Welsh homes of English people. Yup, that beats looking down their noses at Welsh people who cant, and don't want to, speak Welsh. And arguably at the whole North East of Wales.
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Post by cibwr on Aug 21, 2020 7:32:53 GMT
I did. I assumed it referred to recent events in Catalonia. Was I wrong? It referenced Spain, but the clear implication was that Welsh nationalists were somehow more pro democracy than the rest of us. That was my take. That was certainly not my intent, if so I am sorry, one poster though liked the Castillian/Spanish Government reaction to events in Catalonia, and that struck me as very anti democratic. Also the implication that no matter what the people of Scotland want they have to stay in the Union.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 22, 2020 7:42:22 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections?
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 22, 2020 8:25:49 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections? Oh, was that what this was about? Tracking back 4 days, I discover the post about this Caroline person, whoever she was, and you are quite right, that's where it started.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 22, 2020 11:35:58 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections? Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Aug 22, 2020 11:38:30 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections? Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now. Indeed, I was recently upbraided for deciding not to veer off topic onto the issue of the theological position of the Oriental Orthodox Churches
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 22, 2020 12:04:26 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections? Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now. Especially one who is prone to start threads based off whatever nonsense suddenly appears in his head.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 22, 2020 15:51:47 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections? Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now. Yes, but surely not that degree?
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 22, 2020 15:59:24 GMT
Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now. Yes, but surely not that degree? Oh yes, I'm afraid so.
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Post by BossMan on Aug 22, 2020 20:20:53 GMT
Can I observe that we have had four days of discussion about WHY Caroline resigned the Brexit Party whip but not the core topic of Parliamentary defections? Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now. Well quite, though in this instance the digression seems to have gotten so severe that I've deemed it necessary to split off several pages worth of posts and merge them into a more relevant thread. Notice: I have moved (hopefully) the bulk of the discussion on languages into the Languages and linguistics thread in the "Off Topic" board. If anyone wishes to continue that discussion, please use that thread. Thank you.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 22, 2020 22:13:48 GMT
Threads veer off topic on this forum. As a long standing member I would have thought you would be accustomed to this by now. Well quite, though in this instance the digression seems to have gotten so severe that I've deemed it necessary to split off several pages worth of posts and merge them into a more relevant thread. Notice: I have moved (hopefully) the bulk of the discussion on languages into the Languages and linguistics thread in the "Off Topic" board. If anyone wishes to continue that discussion, please use that thread. Thank you. Usual caveat of you're the admin, do as you see fit, but I'm not sure moving posts about is a rabbit warren I would want to go down. I think it has the potential to cause more confusion and annoyance than the threads being dragged off topic in the first place, which frankly is just one of the quirks of this forum which most of us have accepted.
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Post by BossMan on Aug 22, 2020 22:42:22 GMT
Well quite, though in this instance the digression seems to have gotten so severe that I've deemed it necessary to split off several pages worth of posts and merge them into a more relevant thread. Notice: I have moved (hopefully) the bulk of the discussion on languages into the Languages and linguistics thread in the "Off Topic" board. If anyone wishes to continue that discussion, please use that thread. Thank you. Usual caveat of you're the admin, do as you see fit, but I'm not sure moving posts about is a rabbit warren I would want to go down. I think it has the potential to cause more confusion and annoyance than the threads being dragged off topic in the first place, which frankly is just one of the quirks of this forum which most of us have accepted. It's not really something I plan* to do too often, only if the digression begins to fill out several pages at the exclusion of germaine discussion, but I figured that so long as I let everyone know where the moved post have gone the confusion shouldn't be too great. * Though, when has anything ever gone exactly to plan?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 24, 2020 8:57:41 GMT
Quite a lot of people who read this forum do not do so on a daily basis, and only read threads or boards that are of interest to them. They can do this more easily if thread titles bear some basic connection to their subject matter, and if for whatever reason they do wish to share their opinions on the proper social position of the Welsh language they can always follow the link to that.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 23, 2020 16:49:33 GMT
Question for the forum. Is not following the whip on Government Finance Bills normally considered justification for losing the Government whip? The reason I ask is that the UK Internal Market Bill is not the only planned Bill aimed at overriding international law on the Ireland Protocol. Other similar measures, this time in Tarrifs, will be included in a new Finance Bill. Most of those Tory MPs who were unhappy with the original Bill accepted the Government's agreement to amendment ensuring that any measures would be put before a Commons vote before being enacted as secondary legislation. 32 Tory MPs either abstained or voted against the UKIMB on second reading but most of those voted with the Government in the Committee stage votes in Monday Ten of the thirty two however still abstained on Monday. They were Crispin Blunt, Graham Brady, Geoffrey Cox, Liam Fox, Roger Gale, Simon Hoare, Theresa May, Julian Smith, Gary Streeter, Charles Walker Before the vote there was an announcement that any Con MP who voted against would lose the whip. So far none have done so, therefore the whips have lost their power. You do not threaten to do something and then not do it.
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Post by neilm on Sept 23, 2020 23:00:13 GMT
Question for the forum. Is not following the whip on Government Finance Bills normally considered justification for losing the Government whip? The reason I ask is that the UK Internal Market Bill is not the only planned Bill aimed at overriding international law on the Ireland Protocol. Other similar measures, this time in Tarrifs, will be included in a new Finance Bill. Most of those Tory MPs who were unhappy with the original Bill accepted the Government's agreement to amendment ensuring that any measures would be put before a Commons vote before being enacted as secondary legislation. 32 Tory MPs either abstained or voted against the UKIMB on second reading but most of those voted with the Government in the Committee stage votes in Monday Ten of the thirty two however still abstained on Monday. They were Crispin Blunt, Graham Brady, Geoffrey Cox, Liam Fox, Roger Gale, Simon Hoare, Theresa May, Julian Smith, Gary Streeter, Charles Walker Before the vote there was an announcement that any Con MP who voted against would lose the whip. So far none have done so, therefore the whips have lost their power. You do not threaten to do something and then not do it. Specifically a vote against: these were abstentions.
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Post by right on Sept 26, 2020 4:40:36 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 26, 2020 5:01:27 GMT
He was representing one of the most culturally conservative seats held by the LDs at the time.
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Post by tonyhill on Sept 26, 2020 5:27:58 GMT
John Burnett? No such person.
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