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[swanarcadian]

Well it’s nice to get a VI poll from YouGov for the first time since the election, even if it is just a London one.

[london(ex)tory]

Dec 2, 2024 21:58:46 GMT hullenedge said:

Well this is a rather lovely way to start the week!

[swanarcadian]

Poll on support for PR by party. The issue of electoral reform was debated in the Commons yesterday.

[No Offence Alan]

Dec 4, 2024 16:29:26 GMT swanarcadian said:

Poll on support for PR by party. The issue of electoral reform was debated in the Commons yesterday.

The "All" figures make no sense compared to the figures for the individual parties.
Are they including the choices of non-voters saying which system of elections they would prefer not to take part in?

[swanarcadian]

Dec 4, 2024 16:35:23 GMT No Offence Alan said:

Dec 4, 2024 16:29:26 GMT swanarcadian said:

Poll on support for PR by party. The issue of electoral reform was debated in the Commons yesterday.

The "All" figures make no sense compared to the figures for the individual parties.
Are they including the choices of non-voters saying which system of elections they would prefer not to take part in?

Floating voters, Greens, SNP etc I would have thought.

[hullenedge]

Makes sense given the above poll:-

[swanarcadian]

Dec 4, 2024 21:02:49 GMT hullenedge said:

Makes sense given the above poll:-

That’s interesting; you’d expect university cities and some London boroughs to be most in favour of PR; certainly those places favoured Yes to AV in 2011 (not actually a proportional system I know). Perhaps people of the right of centre are wising up to how disproportionate the general election result was. Even our party’s supporters are only narrowly against PR in the poll above; although Tory MPs are still strongly opposed.

[manchesterman]

Wondering how truly "committed" to PR that Reform PLC are? Whilst it's expedient for them with current polling and due to them only winning 5 seats on 14% poll share it makes perfect sense.

However what happens if, in say 2 years time the economy is tanking and the Tories are still in internal turmoil, and the polls are showing something like Reform 37%, Lab 20%, Con 20% and that was extrapolated to an overall Reform majority under FPTP, do you think their (i.e. Farage's) opinion would change??

[carlton43]

Dec 4, 2024 23:48:35 GMT manchesterman said:

Wondering how truly "committed" to PR that Reform PLC are? Whilst it's expedient for them with current polling and due to them only winning 5 seats on 14% poll share it makes perfect sense.

However what happens if, in say 2 years time the economy is tanking and the Tories are still in internal turmoil, and the polls are showing something like Reform 37%, Lab 20%, Con 20% and that was extrapolated to an overall Reform majority under FPTP, do you think their (i.e. Farage's) opinion would change??

Probably Yes.  It would be a natural reaction to kick intentions into the long grass when one sees benefit in the system once there is a projected crossover to being the major party.

I hope such a projection does in fact take place and the the policy does then change because I am adamantly opposed to any system in any election to be other than FPTP.

[aargauer]

Dec 4, 2024 23:48:35 GMT manchesterman said:

Wondering how truly "committed" to PR that Reform PLC are? Whilst it's expedient for them with current polling and due to them only winning 5 seats on 14% poll share it makes perfect sense.

However what happens if, in say 2 years time the economy is tanking and the Tories are still in internal turmoil, and the polls are showing something like Reform 37%, Lab 20%, Con 20% and that was extrapolated to an overall Reform majority under FPTP, do you think their (i.e. Farage's) opinion would change??

This most likely changes at the point Labour are in government but can see they are clearly on their way out.

[The Bishop]

Well it is certainly interesting that Labour voters split 2 to 1 in favour of electoral reform despite their party benefiting so much from FPTP this year.

[swanarcadian]

Dec 5, 2024 11:42:22 GMT The Bishop said:

Well it is certainly interesting that Labour voters split 2 to 1 in favour of electoral reform despite their party benefiting so much from FPTP this year.

A lot of Labour MPs backed Sarah Olney’s 10 minute rule bill the other day also, and your party backed PR at party conference a couple of years ago. It’s the prime minister who is against it.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Dec 5, 2024 14:05:02 GMT swanarcadian said:

Dec 5, 2024 11:42:22 GMT The Bishop said:

Well it is certainly interesting that Labour voters split 2 to 1 in favour of electoral reform despite their party benefiting so much from FPTP this year.

A lot of Labour MPs backed Sarah Olney’s 10 minute rule bill the other day also, and your party backed PR at party conference a couple of years ago. It’s the prime minister who is against it.

A lot? 56 out of 310 backbenchers clearly voted for the Bill, and almost as many voted against it.

(Not 59 as three voted in both lobbies)

[swanarcadian]

Dec 5, 2024 17:43:02 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Dec 5, 2024 14:05:02 GMT swanarcadian said:

A lot of Labour MPs backed Sarah Olney’s 10 minute rule bill the other day also, and your party backed PR at party conference a couple of years ago. It’s the prime minister who is against it.

A lot? 56 out of 310 backbenchers clearly voted for the Bill, and almost as many voted against it.

(Not 59 as three voted in both lobbies)

I concede that turnout was low. Ed Davey didn’t even vote and one would have thought this issue was of paramount importance to any Lib Dem leader; perhaps they just weren’t expecting to win.

[timmullen]

Dec 5, 2024 18:33:32 GMT swanarcadian said:

Dec 5, 2024 17:43:02 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

A lot? 56 out of 310 backbenchers clearly voted for the Bill, and almost as many voted against it.

(Not 59 as three voted in both lobbies)

I concede that turnout was low. Ed Davey didn’t even vote and one would have thought this issue was of paramount importance to any Lib Dem leader; perhaps they just weren’t expecting to win.

A bit odd from Davey given that it was one of his member’s Ten Minute Rule Bills (which admittedly are doomed from the start).

[michaelarden]

Dec 5, 2024 18:59:24 GMT timmullen said:

Dec 5, 2024 18:33:32 GMT swanarcadian said:

I concede that turnout was low. Ed Davey didn’t even vote and one would have thought this issue was of paramount importance to any Lib Dem leader; perhaps they just weren’t expecting to win.

A bit odd from Davey given that it was one of his member’s Ten Minute Rule Bills (which admittedly are doomed from the start).

He probably had a photoshoot for his latest water sports activity...