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Dec 10, 2020 12:25:48 GMT
Post by bigfatron on Dec 10, 2020 12:25:48 GMT
I believe there was one last week which would tally.
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Dec 10, 2020 12:30:23 GMT
Post by hullenedge on Dec 10, 2020 12:30:23 GMT
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Dec 10, 2020 12:49:57 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Dec 10, 2020 12:49:57 GMT
LibDems creeping up with Brexit again a thing does seem to be confirmed by a number of pollsters now.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 10, 2020 16:19:56 GMT
I am known to be no fan of "Leaders" as the answer to a party's problems. But even I wonder - if only we had a Grimond or an Ashdown or a (sober) Kennedy now...
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Dec 10, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
Post by Merseymike on Dec 10, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
I am known to be no fan of "Leaders" as the answer to a party's problems. But even I wonder - if only we had a Grimond or an Ashdown or a (sober) Kennedy now... I think you chose the wrong candidate. Davey is as dull as Starmer but as leader of the fourth party just can't grab any attention. Moran perhaps could have done simply because she's a bit different. It would have been a risk, but like us, you played safe, and that may not have been the best option.
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Dec 10, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
Post by hengo on Dec 10, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
Would it be better to be laughed at rather than forgotten? You may be right.
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Dec 11, 2020 18:08:28 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Dec 11, 2020 18:08:28 GMT
Would it be better to be laughed at rather than forgotten? You may be right. None of the three I mentioned were laughed at.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 11, 2020 18:10:14 GMT
I am known to be no fan of "Leaders" as the answer to a party's problems. But even I wonder - if only we had a Grimond or an Ashdown or a (sober) Kennedy now... I think you chose the wrong candidate. Davey is as dull as Starmer but as leader of the fourth party just can't grab any attention. Moran perhaps could have done simply because she's a bit different. It would have been a risk, but like us, you played safe, and that may not have been the best option. I agree which is why I voted for her. She would have caused a lot of bother but much of it would have been good bother. Now we have two middle aged besuited London sirs. As it is, I keep going to meetings and find myself saying "I agree with Ed"...
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Dec 11, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 11, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
I think you chose the wrong candidate. Davey is as dull as Starmer but as leader of the fourth party just can't grab any attention. Moran perhaps could have done simply because she's a bit different. It would have been a risk, but like us, you played safe, and that may not have been the best option. I agree which is why I voted for her. She would have caused a lot of bother but much of it would have been good bother. Now we have two middle aged besuited London sirs. As it is, I keep going to meetings and find myself saying "I agree with Ed"... Sadly I can rarely agree with Keir....
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Dec 11, 2020 19:39:47 GMT
Post by hengo on Dec 11, 2020 19:39:47 GMT
Would it be better to be laughed at rather than forgotten? You may be right. None of the three I mentioned were laughed at. Indeed not. I voted for the first two. Until recently the Liberals / LibDems always seemed to be able to conjure a few exceptional politicians out of a small number of MPs. The latest choice , let’s face it, was abysmal. That was what I was referring to.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 11, 2020 19:49:11 GMT
None of the three I mentioned were laughed at. Indeed not. I voted for the first two. Until recently the Liberals / LibDems always seemed to be able to conjure a few exceptional politicians out of a small number of MPs. The latest choice , let’s face it, was abysmal. That was what I was referring to. It's funny that one of their best MPs of recent years is a regular here ..alongside one of their worst Lords
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 11, 2020 21:43:32 GMT
Indeed not. I voted for the first two. Until recently the Liberals / LibDems always seemed to be able to conjure a few exceptional politicians out of a small number of MPs. The latest choice , let’s face it, was abysmal. That was what I was referring to. It's funny that one of their best MPs of recent years is a regular here ..alongside one of their worst Lords What a nice man you are. But you entrench my prejudices about nasty right-wing Tories!
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Dec 12, 2020 0:40:16 GMT
Post by independentukip on Dec 12, 2020 0:40:16 GMT
Indeed not. I voted for the first two. Until recently the Liberals / LibDems always seemed to be able to conjure a few exceptional politicians out of a small number of MPs. The latest choice , let’s face it, was abysmal. That was what I was referring to. It's funny that one of their best MPs of recent years is a regular here ..alongside one of their worst Lords I agree with your first comment but not the second. His Lordship appears to share my deep concern that the elections intended to be held in May won't, to a greater or lesser extent, actually take place. All the criminals in charge have to do is say it isn't "safe" to have the elections and thus they & their pals stay in power for another year. With the finality of the Dolan case all is quite legal and legitimate until the people belatedly decide otherwise.
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Dec 13, 2020 13:36:51 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Dec 13, 2020 13:36:51 GMT
There is also the question of how long people elected in May will serve for. I am assuming at present that it will be for the remainder of the term of office from last May. But there must be serious questions about the practicalities of the elections next May in many areas.
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Post by alien8ted on Dec 13, 2020 14:58:08 GMT
There is also the question of how long people elected in May will serve for. I am assuming at present that it will be for the remainder of the term of office from last May. But there must be serious questions about the practicalities of the elections next May in many areas.
Why?
We do them other years, where there's a will there's a way, as other countries have shown.
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Post by londontory on Dec 13, 2020 18:36:18 GMT
There is also the question of how long people elected in May will serve for. I am assuming at present that it will be for the remainder of the term of office from last May. But there must be serious questions about the practicalities of the elections next May in many areas.
Why?
We do them other years, where there's a will there's a way, as other countries have shown.
As I’ve said on another thread somewhere, they should have allowed by-elections to resume so we can have a number of elections held across a range of different places as “test events” and learn more about conducting them in a covid safe way. Rather than just waiting for everything to happen at once and then having a mad panic and cancelling them.
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Dec 14, 2020 19:47:14 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Dec 14, 2020 19:47:14 GMT
I agree with that. But there is all the world different between a by-election in one ward and an election in every polling district in an authority, not to mention one with two or even more ballot papers. I have doubts that the EC instructions will be practicable in at least some areas.
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Post by alien8ted on Dec 14, 2020 19:56:27 GMT
We know nearly all those in power in the UK don't believe in democracy. Covid is just an the excuse they've been looking for to minimise it further.
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Post by grahammurray on Dec 14, 2020 20:04:14 GMT
We know nearly all those in power in the UK don't believe in democracy. Covid is just an the excuse they've been looking for to minimise it further. "We know" is not the same in any way as "I think".
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Post by alien8ted on Dec 14, 2020 20:14:22 GMT
We know nearly all those in power in the UK don't believe in democracy. Covid is just an the excuse they've been looking for to minimise it further. "We know" is not the same in any way as "I think".
It is if I was using the royal we.
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