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Post by tonygreaves on Nov 17, 2019 19:48:39 GMT
This poll apparently shows a big jump in Johnson's personal rating as well. I do being to despair completely when such a person can become a very popular national politician, let alone PM. It's the modern fad, promoted as much as anywhere else by the BBC which is increasingly unfit for purpose, for "politics as entertainment" and it's running mate "celebrity politics". So people used to things like Big Brother, I'm a Celebrity, X-Factor, that Celebrity Come Dancing, and no doubt lots of others than I not only do not watch but hae not heard of...just treat voting for the Prime Minister (as they think it is) in the same way. "Boris" is supposed to be a big celebrity so all the normal rules of what is right and wrong fall out of the window - "Oh, it's just Boris". Ugh.
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Post by London Lad on Nov 17, 2019 22:38:23 GMT
second poll in a week showing the Tories having a lead over Labour with the working class - Labour could be having some serious problems with their core vote (assuming their core vote is still the working class)
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Post by Vibe on Nov 17, 2019 23:06:37 GMT
second poll in a week showing the Tories having a lead over Labour with the working class - Labour could be having some serious problems with their core vote (assuming their core vote is still the working class) Yes, because a lot of working class voted for Brexit - it changes everything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:17:46 GMT
Beware of the crossbreaks
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 17, 2019 23:18:32 GMT
Beware of the crossbreaks Rather useful in this case, actually. Because they confirm the poll is a dud.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 17, 2019 23:36:12 GMT
Beware of the crossbreaks And also the Jub Jub and Bandersnatch effect.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:41:48 GMT
Beware of the crossbreaks And also the Jub Jub and Bndersnatch effect. which ending did you get?
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 17, 2019 23:50:54 GMT
And also the Jub Jub and Bndersnatch effect. which ending did you get? A close win for the Dame of Snark.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:53:38 GMT
which ending did you get? A close win for the Dame of Snark. i went back in time and died
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 18, 2019 0:06:03 GMT
A close win for the Dame of Snark. i went back in time and died I should beat you to death with a railway share............. .....................other forms of public ownership may soon be available?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 18, 2019 0:24:43 GMT
You only said it once so I don't believe you.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 18, 2019 11:12:41 GMT
This poll apparently shows a big jump in Johnson's personal rating as well. I do being to despair completely when such a person can become a very popular national politician, let alone PM. It's the modern fad, promoted as much as anywhere else by the BBC which is increasingly unfit for purpose, for "politics as entertainment" and it's running mate "celebrity politics". So people used to things like Big Brother, I'm a Celebrity, X-Factor, that Celebrity Come Dancing, and no doubt lots of others than I not only do not watch but hae not heard of...just treat voting for the Prime Minister (as they think it is) in the same way. "Boris" is supposed to be a big celebrity so all the normal rules of what is right and wrong fall out of the window - "Oh, it's just Boris". Ugh. Whilst you are of course correct that Johnson enjoys far more support than he actually deserves, my actual point here was that this poll showed a big spike in his personal rating *in the past week*. And there is no obvious reason for that, not least because other polls do not concur.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 18, 2019 11:17:40 GMT
I do being to despair completely when such a person can become a very popular national politician, let alone PM. It's the modern fad, promoted as much as anywhere else by the BBC which is increasingly unfit for purpose, for "politics as entertainment" and it's running mate "celebrity politics". So people used to things like Big Brother, I'm a Celebrity, X-Factor, that Celebrity Come Dancing, and no doubt lots of others than I not only do not watch but hae not heard of...just treat voting for the Prime Minister (as they think it is) in the same way. "Boris" is supposed to be a big celebrity so all the normal rules of what is right and wrong fall out of the window - "Oh, it's just Boris". Ugh. Whilst you are of course correct that Johnson enjoys far more support than he actually deserves, my actual point here was that this poll showed a big spike in his personal rating *in the past week*. And there is no obvious reason for that, not least because other polls do not concur. Maybe this was in places he hasn't visited yet.
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Post by andrewp on Nov 23, 2019 21:16:54 GMT
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 23, 2019 21:34:08 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 23, 2019 21:36:15 GMT
Reversion to the mean ? There does seem to be a general settling around 42 - 30 - 16 .
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 23, 2019 21:43:40 GMT
Reversion to the mean ? There does seem to be a general settling around 42 - 30 - 16 . Agreed, but as Bish has pointed out in another thread, some of these polls included surveying before the Labour manifesto was released, and it's probably best to wait until the surveying has taken place a few days after the release to judge the impact of that. Another point to note - this surveying did take place after our manifesto release. I have some issues with the way it was marketed, but I thought that was an excellent document full of policies that are strong and some of which should be popular. That may account for some of the Lib Dem recovery.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 23, 2019 22:02:20 GMT
No. Not corrective at all! It shows you going up. An obvious rogue outlier.
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Post by Vibe on Nov 23, 2019 22:06:59 GMT
No. Not corrective at all! It shows you going up. An obvious rogue outlier. The public warming to Swinson 😂😂
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 23, 2019 22:11:56 GMT
No. Not corrective at all! It shows you going up. An obvious rogue outlier. The public warming to Swinson 😂😂 If the sampling dates were after the debate, that might indicate that the studio audience was not the wider audience. Corbyn and Johnson are widely considered a crank and a crook respectively, though I'd argue Corbyn has been changing that image over the years. Even so, Swinson doesn't need Cleggmania to be considered the best of three for a lot of people.
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