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Post by dizz on Dec 3, 2024 20:25:04 GMT
FF got 3 seats from 5 out of 35.9% of the vote in Carlow-Kilkenny and the HRs got 34.7% of the vote in Kerry so a third HR would add to that percentage but even so they would need greater vote balancing to get home all three. Would Danny want to miss out to another of their cohort - I doubt it. To add, whilst they are more transfer friendly than SF etc. there is a ceiling on their vote as there are still plenty of people in Kerry who like to think that they have their dinner in the evening rather than at midday.  It wouldn't matter how well they balanced the vote, 34.7% simply wouldn't be enough for three seats. There is a pretty safe SF seat here and the combined FF/FG vote should always produce two seats for those parties. Even the 38.3% they polled in 2016 would have needed almost perfect vote balancing to have a chance. Carlow-Kilkenny is a poor comparison as with the collapse of the Green party and the lack of a prominent independent leaves only three parties in the running for a seat making it much easier to win thee from five Rubbish as regards 34.7% never being enough as Carlow-Kilkenny illustrates perfectly - there could not have been a better example. Granted that 34.7% would not have produced enough in Kerry t his time for the reason you fairly say but a third candidate this time would have delivered some more and next time SF could be down at, say, 10% first prefs and then ending up getting stranded like the FG did at 10.1%. |
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Post by dizz on Dec 3, 2024 20:31:50 GMT
I assume you are asking about this: "The people I represent generally eat their dinner in the middle of the day." Danny Healy-Rae using a famous phrase of his late father's Jackie Healy-Rae after his election as a a TD in 1997 to the late Brian Farrell to summarise who voted for him. I hoped to find it on YouTube but couldn't As in they ate then because they were out of work-lazy or because they were up so early they needed dinner by then? As in, I grew-up in Nottingham in a house eating dinner at 1pm whereas the people I know in London would refer to that as lunch and dinner would be what we in my childhood called tea! When I started work in London a colleague from Ilkeston asked a London born trainee out for dinner and her response was perhaps they should go for lunch first - we still giggle at it! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 3, 2024 20:33:27 GMT
I assumed it meant that they were farmers who worked several hours before breakfast, had their main meal in the middle of the day, and retired to bed in the early evening.
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Post by dizz on Dec 3, 2024 20:46:42 GMT
I assumed it meant that they were farmers who worked several hours before breakfast, had their main meal in the middle of the day, and retired to bed in the early evening. I think they never defined it as it is better keeping the expression broader - the everyday person being broader than the farmer & pure 100% farmers alone would not deliver a quota noting that 35k live in Tralee and Killarney combined. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 3, 2024 20:53:46 GMT
It wouldn't matter how well they balanced the vote, 34.7% simply wouldn't be enough for three seats. There is a pretty safe SF seat here and the combined FF/FG vote should always produce two seats for those parties. Even the 38.3% they polled in 2016 would have needed almost perfect vote balancing to have a chance. Carlow-Kilkenny is a poor comparison as with the collapse of the Green party and the lack of a prominent independent leaves only three parties in the running for a seat making it much easier to win thee from five Rubbish as regards 34.7% never being enough as Carlow-Kilkenny illustrates perfectly - there could not have been a better example. Granted that 34.7% would not have produced enough in Kerry t his time for the reason you fairly say but a third candidate this time would have delivered some more and next time SF could be down at, say, 10% first prefs and then ending up getting stranded like the FG did at 10.1%. You have misunderstood the point. Of course 34.7% is potentially enough to win three in a five seat constituency, and in the right circumstances quite a bit less than that could be enough if your party is transfer friendly enough. I was specifically talking about this constituency and regrettably I cannot see any likely circumstances where Sinn Fein will be down at 10% any time soon. Their base in the north of the county is longstanding and strikes me as very robust. |
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Post by dizz on Dec 3, 2024 21:03:11 GMT
Rubbish as regards 34.7% never being enough as Carlow-Kilkenny illustrates perfectly - there could not have been a better example. Granted that 34.7% would not have produced enough in Kerry t his time for the reason you fairly say but a third candidate this time would have delivered some more and next time SF could be down at, say, 10% first prefs and then ending up getting stranded like the FG did at 10.1%. You have misunderstood the point. Of course 34.7% is potentially enough to win three in a five seat constituency, and in the right circumstances quite a bit less than that could be enough if your party is transfer friendly enough. I was specifically talking about this constituency and regrettably I cannot see any likely circumstances where Sinn Fein will be down at 10% any time soon. Their base in the north of the county is longstanding and strikes me as very robust. If your point is that 34.7% will never ever be enough in this constituency - which it isn't - then I disagree with that of course as never ever would be an absurd argument. That leaves us debating how unlikely it will be that SF and combined FF and FG will always be guaranteed 3 quotas which of course will not be the case & I reckon we leave it at that! |
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 3, 2024 23:17:48 GMT
I assumed it meant that they were farmers who worked several hours before breakfast, had their main meal in the middle of the day, and retired to bed in the early evening. I think they never defined it as it is better keeping the expression broader - the everyday person being broader than the farmer & pure 100% farmers alone would not deliver a quota noting that 35k live in Tralee and Killarney combined. Does Ireland have the same linguistic debate over meal names as Britain? Is "dinner in the middle of the day" a euphemism for the working classes/not the chattering classes who've never understood the Healy-Rae appeal? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 3, 2024 23:24:06 GMT
You have misunderstood the point. Of course 34.7% is potentially enough to win three in a five seat constituency, and in the right circumstances quite a bit less than that could be enough if your party is transfer friendly enough. I was specifically talking about this constituency and regrettably I cannot see any likely circumstances where Sinn Fein will be down at 10% any time soon. Their base in the north of the county is longstanding and strikes me as very robust. If your point is that 34.7% will never ever be enough in this constituency - which it isn't - then I disagree with that of course as never ever would be an absurd argument. That leaves us debating how unlikely it will be that SF and combined FF and FG will always be guaranteed 3 quotas which of course will not be the case & I reckon we leave it at that! Where are Healy-Rae Generation 3 each based? Could one of the councillors bring a distinct support base over and above what Generation 2 already have? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 3, 2024 23:38:59 GMT
Because they don't eat lunch. Lunch is metrosexual.
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Post by nyx on Dec 4, 2024 1:37:10 GMT
If your point is that 34.7% will never ever be enough in this constituency - which it isn't - then I disagree with that of course as never ever would be an absurd argument. That leaves us debating how unlikely it will be that SF and combined FF and FG will always be guaranteed 3 quotas which of course will not be the case & I reckon we leave it at that! Where are Healy-Rae Generation 3 each based? Could one of the councillors bring a distinct support base over and above what Generation 2 already have? From what I can tell their support seems to be across the county, given that Jackie Jr stood for the council election in Castleisland (the opposite side of the county to the family's base) and still won a huge majority. They'd probably be able to win significantly more than 3 councillors if more family members were to stand. |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 4, 2024 8:57:36 GMT
As a child, dinner was what they gave you at school, tea what your mum gave you after you got home, and as the Jesuits know once that is drummed in it is going nowhere, even if it does cause disputes with my wife.
I can just about cope with the idea that a big meal in the evening can be dinner, especially if linked to an occaision, but instinctively rail against ‘lunch’
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 4, 2024 9:01:40 GMT
As a child, dinner was what they gave you at school, tea what your mum gave you after you got home, and as the Jesuits know once that is drummed in it is going nowhere, even if it does cause disputes with my wife. I can just about cope with the idea that a big meal in the evening can be dinner, especially if linked to an occasion, but instinctively rail against ‘lunch’ I had school dinners, but some kids brought in packed lunches. Never heard of a "packed dinner". |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 4, 2024 9:06:37 GMT
As a child, dinner was what they gave you at school, tea what your mum gave you after you got home, and as the Jesuits know once that is drummed in it is going nowhere, even if it does cause disputes with my wife. I can just about cope with the idea that a big meal in the evening can be dinner, especially if linked to an occasion, but instinctively rail against ‘lunch’ I had school dinners, but some kids brought in packed lunches. Never heard of a "packed dinner". Canned roast chicken and vegetables? |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 4, 2024 9:07:23 GMT
As a child, dinner was what they gave you at school, tea what your mum gave you after you got home, and as the Jesuits know once that is drummed in it is going nowhere, even if it does cause disputes with my wife. I can just about cope with the idea that a big meal in the evening can be dinner, especially if linked to an occasion, but instinctively rail against ‘lunch’ I had school dinners, but some kids brought in packed lunches. Never heard of a "packed dinner". And would they have voted for Healy-Rae? I rest my case. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 4, 2024 9:20:01 GMT
As a child, dinner was what they gave you at school, tea what your mum gave you after you got home, and as the Jesuits know once that is drummed in it is going nowhere, even if it does cause disputes with my wife. I can just about cope with the idea that a big meal in the evening can be dinner, especially if linked to an occasion, but instinctively rail against ‘lunch’ I had school dinners, but some kids brought in packed lunches. Never heard of a "packed dinner". In my mind, "dinner" is the main meal of the day, which may be around 12-2pm or 6-8pm. It's a celebratory event, and we sit up at the big table for it. "Lunch" is a smaller meal at mid-day ("lunchtime"), while tea is a smaller meal before the evening ("teatime"). You might not have dinner at all, or maybe only on Sundays and special occasions. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 4, 2024 9:21:50 GMT
I had school dinners, but some kids brought in packed lunches. Never heard of a "packed dinner". Canned roast chicken and vegetables? Ashens is the YouTube channel for that |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 4, 2024 11:17:05 GMT
Canned roast chicken and vegetables? Ashens is the YouTube channel for that I think you are meant to warm the chicken. It does sound vile. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 4, 2024 11:27:06 GMT
.... however I do like Fray Bentos steak and kidney puds or pies. I know it's disgusting but I love it!
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 4, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
As a child, dinner was what they gave you at school, tea what your mum gave you after you got home, and as the Jesuits know once that is drummed in it is going nowhere, even if it does cause disputes with my wife. I can just about cope with the idea that a big meal in the evening can be dinner, especially if linked to an occaision, but instinctively rail against ‘lunch’ Hence your shared love of the Single Transferable Vote. Healey- Rae's are basically Lib Dems |
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Post by uthacalthing on Dec 4, 2024 14:20:58 GMT
I had school dinners, but some kids brought in packed lunches. Never heard of a "packed dinner". In my mind, "dinner" is the main meal of the day, which may be around 12-2pm or 6-8pm. It's a celebratory event, and we sit up at the big table for it. "Lunch" is a smaller meal at mid-day ("lunchtime"), while tea is a smaller meal before the evening ("teatime"). You might not have dinner at all, or maybe only on Sundays and special occasions. One of the issues by which we track your disenchantment with the Lib Dems |
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