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Post by WJ on Sept 9, 2018 21:57:44 GMT
Uppsala is old Sweden to the core, with everything that that entails. It has the oldest and most prestigious Scandinavian university, it is the seat of the Swedish Church. People complain that UK politicians are drawn too much from Oxbridge, but I would wager that a greater percentage of Swedish politicians studied at Uppsala and Lund. Do they still have those geographically-based fraternity-type affairs? The student nations? Yes they do, although I wouldn't exactly describe them as fraternities. Any student can join any nation, regardless of who they are or where they come from and membership of one nation gives you access to all the others, although you often get cheaper rates for events happening in your own nation. They're an integral part of student life here. It's the only way that students are able to be students as alcohol is heavily subsidised, so that's where most student events are held. Some of them also provide housing and grants for students. Until recently you weren't allowed to graduate if you weren't in a nation, but that was stopped as it violated some human right or other. |
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Post by WJ on Sept 9, 2018 21:59:15 GMT
Roughly 700 districts left to declare. On this trajectory the Alliance has a net gain of 1 seat (M -14, C +8, KD +7, L +-0). The Red-Greens are down 22 (S -13, MP-9). V, who are not in government are up 7 though. SD are up 14. Slight revision with just 300 districts left. C are up 1 and MP down 1. Another adjustment: C are back down one and S are up one. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 9, 2018 22:05:32 GMT
Am I seeing the strong likelihood of a hung parliament with neither of the coalition factions able to form a majority government without a reforming of one of the coalitions?
Can Sweden proceed on a minority government basis with the lead coalition soldiering on until they lose a crucial vote?
Is a Grand Coalition even a possibility with the Sweden Democrats and various odds and sods as the opposition?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 22:12:25 GMT
Västra Götalands läns norra has its full result. S 3 SD 2 M 2 C 1 KD 1 V 1
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 9, 2018 22:24:58 GMT
On the regional level M&SD&KD do not even get a majority in Skane län (less than 1/2 counted, but things won't shift dramatically).
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Post by Party Fears Two on Sept 9, 2018 22:30:50 GMT
After such an impressive series of lying/ignoring/covering up the impacts of MassImmigration for years, the television-debats centred around them aso. FPÖ would be at 35-40%! But this is after all the semiPenInsula of the Phaiaks, for centuries quite far away from continental conflicts & controversies, so 15% less is apparently more likely. Perhaps rather 25% than 20%? Apologies, but what does this mean?
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Post by greenhert on Sept 9, 2018 22:33:45 GMT
With just 50 districts out of 6004 left to count, these are essentially the final results:
Social Democrats 28.4%
Moderates 19.8%
Sweden Democrats 17.6%
Centre 8.6%
Left 7.9% Christian Democrats 6.4%
Liberals 5.5%
Green 4.3%.
Neither bloc has enough seats for a majority, or even a viable minority government.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 9, 2018 22:35:22 GMT
Am I seeing the strong likelihood of a hung parliament with neither of the coalition factions able to form a majority government without a reforming of one of the coalitions? Can Sweden proceed on a minority government basis with the lead coalition soldiering on until they lose a crucial vote? Is a Grand Coalition even a possibility with the Sweden Democrats and various odds and sods as the opposition? They are in a worse position than Germany: S&M wouldn't have a majority, but is (added perhaps by C or KD) not so unlikely: The Alliance will probably not get a relative majority; Alliance supported by SD is inimaginable for C (and L); S&MP&C&L (&V) is economically quite divided, but another possibility. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 9, 2018 22:41:51 GMT
Interesting to note that the Sweden Democrats have got almost the same share of the vote as the Northern League received at the Italian general election earlier this year. They (LN) got 17.4% and the Sweden Democrats are currently on 17.6%.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 9, 2018 22:42:32 GMT
After such an impressive series of lying/ignoring/covering up the impacts of MassImmigration for years, the television-debats centred around them aso. FPÖ would be at 35-40%! But this is after all the semiPenInsula of the Phaiaks, for centuries quite far away from continental conflicts & controversies, so 15% less is apparently more likely. Perhaps rather 25% than 20%? Apologies, but what does this mean?
Does it refer to something said on an earlier page or other thread? We Austrians wouldn't have reacted so calmly/phlegmaticly as the Swedes. ("semiPeninsula of the Phaiaks" is partly stolen from v.KEYSERLING.) |
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Post by Party Fears Two on Sept 9, 2018 22:46:14 GMT
Second exit poll... SAP 26.2, V 9.0, MP 4.2 - 39.4 M 17.8, C 8.9, KD 7.4, L 5.5 - 39.6 SD 19.2 Why does the BBC radio and website mainly report: "The Sweden Democrats/ Nationalist are making gains"?
That's not the story of tonight. The story is that the Sweden Democrats are making substantially less progress than what all opinion polls were predicting, when many commentators were expecting the exceed the higher polling figures and maybe beome the largest party.
Instead, they remain the 3rd largest (which most polls didn't predict), despite a very poor showing by Moderaterna.
The real focus I think now is whether MP Greens get over the 4% threshold+ like that second exit poll from Sibboleth.
If they do, the Löven govt stays in power. If they miss it, the Alliance block gain power...curiously with the diminished Moderaterna leader as new PM.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 9, 2018 22:46:31 GMT
I know where to find Germans who really like S&M but that's beside the point.
Not all the ballots will have been counted in the Swedish election, because there are a small number of overseas and postal ballots that are counted on Wednesday - probably no more than 300,000 out of over six million total.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 9, 2018 22:47:18 GMT
Interesting to note that the Sweden Democrats have got almost the same share of the vote as the Northern League received at the Italian general election earlier this year. They (LN) got 17.4% and the Sweden Democrats are currently on 17.6%. And we note where Lega are placed now in the polls. |
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Post by WJ on Sept 9, 2018 22:53:14 GMT
I know where to find Germans who really like S&M but that's beside the point. Not all the ballots will have been counted in the Swedish election, because there are a small number of overseas and postal ballots that are counted on Wednesday - probably no more than 300,000 out of over six million total. Could be a few more than predicted. Postnord, the mail service has come under heavy fire for not accounting for the high number of postal ballots, so many seem to have been delayed. |
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Post by Party Fears Two on Sept 9, 2018 23:00:46 GMT
Apologies, but what does this mean?
Does it refer to something said on an earlier page or other thread? We Austrians wouldn't have reacted so calmly/phlegmaticly as the Swedes. ("semiPeninsula of the Phaiaks" is partly stolen from v.KEYSERLING.) Ahh, OK, thanks, Austrians, understand the FPÖ reference now- the far right nationalists there.
..."for centuries quite far away from continental conflicts & controversies" ....not so sure about that. for 2 centuries, maybe, when napoleon's general Bernadotte was stuck on the throne, and neutrality placed upon Sweden. But before then, the Swedes were continental players right upto Austria's borderlands every so often...
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 9, 2018 23:01:22 GMT
If they miss it, the Alliance block gain power...curiously with the diminished Moderaterna leader as new PM. That's the line for the moment, but in reality it's not that simple: it would be very difficult for the more liberal Alliance parties to participate in a government dependent on SD support, even if tacit. Not impossible, of course, but problematic. Bit of a messy situation, but that was always likely. |
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Post by Party Fears Two on Sept 9, 2018 23:02:20 GMT
I'd be very surprised if any party makes any arrangement with the Sweden Democrats. The closest might be the KD, but they'd probably prefer to stick with Moderaterna.
Looks like SD might sneak 2nd place ahead of M, after all....
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Post by WJ on Sept 9, 2018 23:05:48 GMT
23 districts left to declare and I'm heading to bed. Numbers have been static for awhile now, although C and SD have been switching a seat back and forth. Currently C are on 31 and SD on 62 seats, but that could switch back again with SD making the gain.
V 28 +7
S 101 −12
MP 15 −10
SD 62 +13
L 19 ±0
C 31 +9
KD 23 +7
M 70 −14
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Post by jamie on Sept 9, 2018 23:06:25 GMT
Are the postal ballots expected to be disproportionate for any parties/blocs?
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 9, 2018 23:09:17 GMT
I don't agree with what the Sky News correspondent just said, which was: "The Sweden Democrats are the clear winners of the election", if I heard it right. When 82% don't vote for a party, you can't possibly describe them as the clear winners.  |
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