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Post by John Chanin on Jan 23, 2021 13:48:22 GMT
I suppose most outsiders might go to Leverkusen to watch the local football team. Leverkusen is a bit like Warrington North writ large. Complete with awkward relationships with nearby cities. Surely Leverkusen is simply a suburb of Koln? PS: Oddly Hannover and Bielefeld are two of the few German cities I have visited.
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Post by john07 on Jan 23, 2021 15:34:39 GMT
I suppose most outsiders might go to Leverkusen to watch the local football team. Leverkusen is a bit like Warrington North writ large. Complete with awkward relationships with nearby cities. Is Bayer Leverkusen essentially the Bayer works team? Rather like a more successful version of Ferranti Thistle (later Meadowbank Thistle and now Livingston)?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 16:26:43 GMT
Leverkusen is a bit like Warrington North writ large. Complete with awkward relationships with nearby cities. Is Bayer Leverkusen essentially the Bayer works team? Rather like a more successful version of Ferranti Thistle (later Meadowbank Thistle and now Livingston)? It is indeed- Bayer also had Bayer Uerdigen but let them go. They and a few others are exempt from the 50+1 ownership model as a result.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 16:42:16 GMT
Leverkusen is a bit like Warrington North writ large. Complete with awkward relationships with nearby cities. Surely Leverkusen is simply a suburb of Koln? PS: Oddly Hannover and Bielefeld are two of the few German cities I have visited. They are neighbours but not contiguous. The Cologne public transport section goes up to the border but not across it, which is strange given that it does stretch into Bonn. It has a very different feel to Cologne- the dialect is similar but not the same, and it definitely has an identity of its own. Not a place worth visiting- not unpleasant, just not very interesting when you've got Cologne on one side and Dusseldorf on the other.
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 23, 2021 17:38:16 GMT
Leverkusen is a bit like Warrington North writ large. Complete with awkward relationships with nearby cities. Surely Leverkusen is simply a suburb of Koln? PS: Oddly Hannover and Bielefeld are two of the few German cities I have visited. „Das gibt’s doch gar nicht“
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 23, 2021 18:10:50 GMT
Surely Leverkusen is simply a suburb of Koln? PS: Oddly Hannover and Bielefeld are two of the few German cities I have visited. „Das gibt’s doch gar nicht“ Presumably die Partei have their headquarters there.....
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Post by Foggy on Jan 24, 2021 3:03:46 GMT
I suppose most outsiders might go to Leverkusen to watch the local football team. Ah, so another thing it has in common with Billingham.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jan 25, 2021 15:52:00 GMT
Surely Leverkusen is simply a suburb of Koln? PS: Oddly Hannover and Bielefeld are two of the few German cities I have visited. They are neighbours but not contiguous. The Cologne public transport section goes up to the border but not across it, which is strange given that it does stretch into Bonn. the integrated subway/streetcar system stretches to Bonn but not Leverkusen (two old narrow gauge local railways that are now operated by the system). The S-Bahnen go to Leverkusen but not afai recall to Bonn. When I was living in Cologne the reason I visited Leverkusen twice was actually to go to the movies... I saw a lot of movies in that era and there is or was a sizable cinema near Leverkusen Mitte station. Hey, I even remember what I saw one of those times though I had to look up the name! The only time I've seen Bayer Leverkusen play was during the half a year they were playing in Düsseldorf while expanding their stafium.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jan 25, 2021 16:00:08 GMT
I'll pop over next time I'm in Mainz, which hopefully will be this year. I've technically been to Wiesbaden, as I alighted at Mainz-Kastel and walked over the bridge. However, that doesn't feel like it should count. In one way it really really doesn't. It's Mainz (part under American occupation). Otoh it's of course included in the set of figures... and much of official Wiesbaden is really not that Wiesbaden. There's a lot of faceless suburbia / smalltowns / commuter villages in addition to a compact, urbane but really not large city within Wiesbaden's "city" limits - same as Bielefeld come to think of it. Maybe Wiesbaden doesn't exist either.
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 10, 2021 11:44:25 GMT
inished the data project of retrieving all the Hessian municipal Bundestag Zweitstimme results from cheap pdfs and typing them into a huge spreadsheet (begun and abandoned 3(?) years ago and restarted this winter) and started making maps. This is by the post 70s municipalities... I don't have a map of the old ones and it'd be a confusing nightmare of color anyways. But first, to explain some of the dynamics, here are some population change maps... well citizen adult population change maps. What we learn here is that the countryside was teeming with people in 1949, many of them not originally from there but either from the bombed-out cities and itching to return, or else from points east and not yet permanently settled. Anywhere in the lightbluish shades under +5% can probably be safely assumed to have lost population! Can we say White Flight? Suburbs aren't starting from low starting points anymore. The older suburbs have filled up, are maturing and eventually losing population, what suburban growth there still is is ever further out. That's actually underselling Frankfurt's recovery because the rise there and in Darmstadt is almost 10% and the bottom was actually reached in 1998 or '9. Of course the liberalization of citizenship laws also played a role here (also in the towns downstream on the left bank; these have migrant background shares on a par with Frankfurt and Offenbach and rising.) Meanwhile the bottom is falling out in the north - Germany's citizen population has been falling since 2009.
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 10, 2021 11:45:34 GMT
No vote splitting yet. CDU distribution can double as a map of Catholicism (though a few caveats apply, notably in the Dill Valley). The Independents were a connected effort; a de facto BHE forerunner that had been unable to get registered as a party. Meaning that a huge share of the vote got thrown away. Yes, the KPD won Langenselbold and ran a close second in Neuberg immediately to the west. Diverse successors and fronts would poll consistently over 5% into the 1970s. Of course Hanau and surrounds was a Commie stronghold during the Weimar Republic. I have no idea what's behind the GVP success in the villages that later came to be Steffenberg. Utterly bizarre result. FDP revenancy! The Reinhardswald is the only one of the areas outside the municipal system to have had, for much of the time, some slight population but this is the only election that the state organized a separats polling station and published a result. 22 voters cast 12 votes for the CDU and 10 for the SPD. I couldn't resist including it in the map. Will complete this and am also taking requests for individual party heat maps. Note that 1957-76 maps exclude postal votes except in (formerly or still) independent cities as they were then counted at the district level. (The option didn't exist before then... though the option of voting away from home did.)
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 10, 2021 11:47:51 GMT
Thing I did with the same data years ago and published elsewhere. Results (incl heat maps) for the pre-reform districts. 1972 and 1976 would feature - different - interim maps which, good luck finding a blank map of.
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 10, 2021 19:41:48 GMT
Wait... that "69 map" is actually just the 65 map again. I think I know what happened, too. Oh well.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 10, 2021 23:10:42 GMT
inished the data project of retrieving all the Hessian municipal Bundestag Zweitstimme results from cheap pdfs and typing them into a huge spreadsheet (begun and abandoned 3(?) years ago and restarted this winter) and started making maps. Excellent! If You need FrehFlesh for more maps: I have all federal elections (BundesTag: ZweitStimmen of LandKreise since 1953, of WahlKreise since 1949; EP: LandKreise since 1979) in workable EXCEL (incl. % and DeViations from national average).
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 10, 2021 23:13:58 GMT
Thing I did with the same data years ago and published elsewhere. Results (incl heat maps) for the pre-reform districts. 1972 and 1976 would feature - different - interim maps which, good luck finding a blank map of. A small book - "WahlAtlas Hessen" (1989) - provides BTW-maps, but they are only 5x3 cm large; then i am not sure, that it would work with OCR - and presently i cannot scan...
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 11, 2021 7:35:05 GMT
Thing I did with the same data years ago and published elsewhere. Results (incl heat maps) for the pre-reform districts. 1972 and 1976 would feature - different - interim maps which, good luck finding a blank map of. A small book - "WahlAtlas Hessen" (1989) - provides BTW-maps, but they are only 5x3 cm large; then i am not sure, that it would work with OCR - and presently i cannot scan... I have the results and the info on which boundary changes happened when exactly, it's just a clean base map that I'm missing and that seems like far too much effort for far too little benefit to draw myself.
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 11, 2021 7:42:16 GMT
inished the data project of retrieving all the Hessian municipal Bundestag Zweitstimme results from cheap pdfs and typing them into a huge spreadsheet (begun and abandoned 3(?) years ago and restarted this winter) and started making maps. Excellent! If You need FrehFlesh for more maps: I have all federal elections ( BundesTag: ZweitStimmen of LandKreise since 1953, of WahlKreise since 1949; EP: LandKreise since 1979) in workable EXCEL (incl. % and DeViations from national average). Not that I'm needing them for maps (and there'd be the same issue with clean basemaps pre 70s) but that's very interesting! (I have the constituency results myself.)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 11, 2021 13:11:59 GMT
A small book - "WahlAtlas Hessen" (1989) - provides BTW-maps, but they are only 5x3 cm large; then i am not sure, that it would work with OCR - and presently i cannot scan... I have the results and the info on which boundary changes happened when exactly, it's just a clean base map that I'm missing and that seems like far too much effort for far too little benefit to draw myself. I am unfortunately still not able to scan, but i can offer You the maps of 1972 i have for whole Germany. You could cut out Hesse and clean the fields:
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 11, 2021 13:19:09 GMT
Excellent! If You need FrehFlesh for more maps: I have all federal elections ( BundesTag: ZweitStimmen of LandKreise since 1953, of WahlKreise since 1949; EP: LandKreise since 1979) in workable EXCEL (incl. % and DeViations from national average). Not that I'm needing them for maps (and there'd be the same issue with clean basemaps pre 70s) but that's very interesting! (I have the constituency results myself.) Here they are: drive.google.com/drive/folders/10gaC6v7McwWbmUORxoQzVE7RqBa_qMeE?usp=sharing
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 11, 2021 14:44:30 GMT
I have the results and the info on which boundary changes happened when exactly, it's just a clean base map that I'm missing and that seems like far too much effort for far too little benefit to draw myself. I am unfortunately still not able to scan, but i can offer You the maps of 1972 i have for whole Germany. that's constituency (and a nightmare to clean, I know because I nicked that series of winner maps off the net for the purpose once...)
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