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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 6, 2020 17:55:44 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 6, 2020 18:49:59 GMT
That FW score is quite impressive.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 7, 2020 19:05:50 GMT
That FW score is quite impressive. Yes, not in Bavaria or BaWü, but certainly in the East. The CDU-contender (endorsed by THE GREENS, by the way) focussed on delivering more support to the district's southern areas, what did perhaps not play well in the northern parts around the city.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 12, 2020 19:06:30 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 12:07:44 GMT
NorthRhine-WestPhalia's results of LocalElections since 1946: As on the regional level SPD did not take over before the 1960ies, when the industrialization was already declining.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 13:15:05 GMT
A look at the OpinionPolls since the last regional election shows us, what these local votes are really about: Apart from the case of Laschet it's the question, to what extent THE GREENS will be able to replace SPD in its former "HeartChamber" NRW: 2-4 GREENS-mayors are likely.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 13:25:04 GMT
Let us take a closer look at the fresh InfratestDimap-poll: So (Mid)Right and (Mid)Left are equally strong. Interestingly a comparison of (dis)satisfaction with the incumbent cabinet at the LandTag-elections (left) and with the present CDU&FDP (right): (Very [dis])satified with CDU&FDP: Popularity of Laschet since his entry 2006: Popularity of Laschet and other ministers:
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Post by minionofmidas on Sept 13, 2020 13:39:05 GMT
That FW score is quite impressive. Absence of an AfD candidate may have helped. (Stress on "may" - this would be far more obvious if there had been concurrent elections. In a low turnout standalone event though, most of their supporters might have stayed at home - and any incumbent reelected with such a score will inevitably have picked up a lot of fairly unideological soft AfD supporters.)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 14:22:00 GMT
That FW score is quite impressive. Absence of an AfD candidate may have helped. (Stress on "may" - this would be far more obvious if there had been concurrent elections. In a low turnout standalone event though, most of their supporters might have stayed at home - and any incumbent reelected with such a score will inevitably have picked up a lot of fairly unideological soft AfD supporters.) And the CDU-candidate was endorsed by ... THE GREENS ! So desperate AfD- or cons. CDU-voters might have chosen the FW-guy (although he wasn't portrayed by the media as a conservative).
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 13, 2020 14:23:25 GMT
Absence of an AfD candidate may have helped. (Stress on "may" - this would be far more obvious if there had been concurrent elections. In a low turnout standalone event though, most of their supporters might have stayed at home - and any incumbent reelected with such a score will inevitably have picked up a lot of fairly unideological soft AfD supporters.) And the CDU-candidate was endorsed by ... THE GREENS ! So desperate AfD- or cons. CDU-voters might have chosen the FW-guy (although he wasn't portrayed by the media as a conservative). how did those Green-CDU tie ups/ alliances/whatever come about?
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Post by manchesterman on Sept 13, 2020 14:32:20 GMT
I was just about to ask the same question. Seems incongruous; and would be unthinkable for the UK greens to form an alliance with out current party of the right!
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 14:33:38 GMT
And the CDU-candidate was endorsed by ... THE GREENS ! So desperate AfD- or cons. CDU-voters might have chosen the FW-guy (although he wasn't portrayed by the media as a conservative). how did those Green-CDU tie ups/ alliances/whatever come about? In for decades SPD-run cities like Cologne or Wuppertal they are antiSPD-alliances, of course. In this case of Rostock-Land there was an apparently popular SPD-incumbent, too. And rural districts are mainly responsible for "soft" issues like SpatialPlanning, where CDU's candidate - an AgroEngineer - was probably very close to them. (His PlatForm was to strengthen the more rural&remote south farer away from the city.) But we should not get a wrong ImPression: Generally such a pairship is still very uncommon.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 14:45:35 GMT
how did those Green-CDU tie ups/ alliances/whatever come about? In for decades SPD-run cities like Cologne or Wuppertal they are antiSPD-alliances, of course. In this case of Rostock-Land there was an apparently popular SPD-incumbent, too. And rural districts are mainly responsible for "soft" issues like SpatialPlanning, where CDU's candidate - an AgroEngineer - was probably very close to them. (His PlatForm was to strengthen the more rural&remote south farer away from the city.) But we should not get a wrong ImPression: Generally such a pairship is still very uncommon. And recent history could play a role: The elder GREENS-members derive probably from antiSED-CivicGroups like "Bündnis 90".
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 13, 2020 15:12:57 GMT
how did those Green-CDU tie ups/ alliances/whatever come about? In for decades SPD-run cities like Cologne or Wuppertal they are antiSPD-alliances, of course. In this case of Rostock-Land there was an apparently popular SPD-incumbent, too. And rural districts are mainly responsible for "soft" issues like SpatialPlanning, where CDU's candidate - an AgroEngineer - was probably very close to them. (His PlatForm was to strengthen the more rural&remote south farer away from the city.) But we should not get a wrong ImPression: Generally such a pairship is still very uncommon. Thanks Georg
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 15:23:41 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 15:27:13 GMT
Long queues are reported - but this was caused by a reduction of precincts. The authorities feared, that they wouldn't find enough staff for the same number of PollingStations. At midday 29.2% voted (less than 10% in persona).
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 15:52:45 GMT
NRW is becoming British: The exploding number of PostalVotes resulted in huge halls being adopted for counting...
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 16:00:53 GMT
Projected TurnOut:
51.5% (+1.5%)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 16:04:24 GMT
First ProJection by InfratestDimap (ExitPoll & estimates):
36.0% (-1.5%) CDU 23.5% (-7.9%) SPD 19.0% (+7.3%) GREENS 06.0% (+3.4%) AfD 04.5% (-0,2%) FDP 04.0% (-0,7%) LEFT 07.0% (-0,4%) others
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 13, 2020 16:09:03 GMT
Cologne:
mayor:
48.5% Reker (inc.) Ind., supported by CDU&GREENS
Very disappointing for her.
GREENS likely to be the strongest party in the CityCouncil (29% vs. 20.5% CDU, 20.0% SPD).
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