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Post by yellowperil on Mar 9, 2018 9:01:27 GMT
Slight correction: the LD candidate in Northchurch is Lara Pringle, not Laura. <iframe width="19.720000000000027" height="3.0799999999999983" style="position: absolute; width: 19.72px; height: 3.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 926px; top: -114px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_49447652" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.720000000000027" height="3.0799999999999983" style="position: absolute; width: 19.72px; height: 3.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57225688" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.720000000000027" height="3.0799999999999983" style="position: absolute; width: 19.72px; height: 3.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 926px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_32618770" scrolling="no"></iframe> I have only just got round to correcting the post for this- she was indeed a Lara,and quite a tomb raider. |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 9, 2018 11:21:38 GMT
Looks like some really serious getting out the vote from both Tories & Labour there. I know Labour worked really hard By all accounts the Tories made a big effort as well. Losing despite that could indicate a possible Labour clean sweep in Nottingham next year? |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 9, 2018 12:14:14 GMT
Clear there are very big localist swings in areas with unpopular Labour councils and I think its something we need to look at. Sunderland and Bolton come to mind. Think that the councillors there need to look at where that unpopularity comes from and those responsible stand down
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 12:32:27 GMT
Clear there are very big localist swings in areas with unpopular Labour councils and I think its something we need to look at. Sunderland and Bolton come to mind. Think that the councillors there need to look at where that unpopularity comes from and those responsible stand down Newcastle-under-Lyne another one but the Tories are running it now since the election irregularities. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 9, 2018 12:33:46 GMT
Clear there are very big localist swings in areas with unpopular Labour councils and I think its something we need to look at. Sunderland and Bolton come to mind. Think that the councillors there need to look at where that unpopularity comes from and those responsible stand down Newcastle-under-Lyne another one but the Tories are running it now since the election irregularities. The Stoke effect? But we didnt get to grips with Stoke either. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 9, 2018 12:37:59 GMT
Not until it was lost. What I hear from Labour people in Stoke is that, although the ruling coalition is made up of 16 City Independents and only 7 Conservatives, the Independents don't have a clue what they're doing so the Conservatives are basically making all the important decisions.
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Post by iain on Mar 9, 2018 12:41:12 GMT
Clear there are very big localist swings in areas with unpopular Labour councils and I think its something we need to look at. Sunderland and Bolton come to mind. Think that the councillors there need to look at where that unpopularity comes from and those responsible stand down Lambeth is another that springs to mind. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 9, 2018 13:03:02 GMT
Clear there are very big localist swings in areas with unpopular Labour councils and I think its something we need to look at. Sunderland and Bolton come to mind. Think that the councillors there need to look at where that unpopularity comes from and those responsible stand down Lambeth is another that springs to mind. Dont start me on that.... |
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Post by timmullen1 on Mar 9, 2018 13:09:09 GMT
Not until it was lost. What I hear from Labour people in Stoke is that, although the ruling coalition is made up of 16 City Independents and only 7 Conservatives, the Independents don't have a clue what they're doing so the Conservatives are basically making all the important decisions. Quite right, although the City Independent leader/Council leader has just stood aside on health grounds and a potential replacement may be less malleable. Newcastle-under-Lyme I think is different as it’s always been a more “balanced” area with some rock solid Tory areas on the fringes (Seabridge, The Westlands, Clayton) and then some quite rural areas (Loggerheads, Whitmore, Audley). Add to that a couple of Wards that have stayed Lib Dem even during the Coalition nadir, and it’s never been as monolithically Labour as Bolton, Sunderland or Stoke. |
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Post by andrew111 on Mar 9, 2018 14:40:48 GMT
Slight correction: the LD candidate in Northchurch is Lara Pringle, not Laura. <iframe width="19.720000000000027" height="3.0799999999999983" style="position: absolute; width: 19.72px; height: 3.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 926px; top: -114px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_49447652" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.720000000000027" height="3.0799999999999983" style="position: absolute; width: 19.72px; height: 3.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_57225688" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="19.720000000000027" height="3.0799999999999983" style="position: absolute; width: 19.72px; height: 3.08px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 926px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_32618770" scrolling="no"></iframe> I have only just got round to correcting the post for this- she was indeed a Lara,and quite a tomb raider. But did she campaign last week in a troika?? although before any pedants comment I noticed the sledge only had two horses.... |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 9, 2018 17:12:40 GMT
Clear there are very big localist swings in areas with unpopular Labour councils and I think its something we need to look at. Sunderland and Bolton come to mind. Think that the councillors there need to look at where that unpopularity comes from and those responsible stand down Cliff Morris went at the end of the last year. The memory lives on, though. |
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Post by iain on Mar 9, 2018 19:43:07 GMT
Lambeth is another that springs to mind. but however bad Lambeth council may or not be, the expectation is still of the opposition being wiped out this year. I’m not sure that’s true. The last two local by-elections (I know, I know) have seen a decent Lib Dem advance (on GE 2015 day!) and the near loss of a safe ward to the Greens. I’d expect to see a couple of Lib Dem’s in Bishops, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t the only opposition. |
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Post by andrewp on Mar 10, 2018 8:09:07 GMT
To lose 5/5 for the Tories was a bad night on Thursday. As someone said, probably their worst local by election night since T May became PM. Of the 5, I think Rochester is by far the most worrying for them, coming in an area where Labour hasn’t performed very well for the last 10 years.
Of the other 4, Rutland and Petersfield were lost to Independents and look the sort of wards which would usually Tory heavily in a GE, Dacorum looks as though candidate choice was an issue from the outside and Nottingham was a marginal ward to start with.
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 10, 2018 11:44:36 GMT
What happened in Rochester? There wasn't anything that pointed to an upset.
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 10, 2018 12:22:44 GMT
To lose 5/5 for the Tories was a bad night on Thursday. As someone said, probably their worst local by election night since T May became PM I think they had a similarly bad set of results some time last autumn? |
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 10, 2018 13:42:48 GMT
To lose 5/5 for the Tories was a bad night on Thursday. As someone said, probably their worst local by election night since T May became PM I think they had a similarly bad set of results some time last autumn? I think you probably have in mind September 1st , 2017 - when they did manage to lose seven seats in one night (3 to Lab, 2 to Green, 1 to LD and 1 to Ind), so in one sense worse than this time, but on the other hand that night they did manage to hold 2 others and gain one back from LDs, so it wasn't as comprehensive a wipeout. |
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 10, 2018 13:51:24 GMT
What happened in Rochester? There wasn't anything that pointed to an upset. I think you are right to be most worried by that result- I do not see this one as down to local circumstances, except maybe a strong Labour campaign and a feeble and complacent Tory one, so more than most of the others it may reflect a national mood which is pretty fed up with this government. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 14:16:04 GMT
What happened in Rochester? There wasn't anything that pointed to an upset. I think you are right to be most worried by that result- I do not see this one as down to local circumstances, except maybe a strong Labour campaign and a feeble and complacent Tory one, so more than most of the others it may reflect a national mood which is pretty fed up with this government. |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 10, 2018 14:21:25 GMT
Thanks for the link. It did seem like an odd place for a targeted campaign. Fair play to them though for seeing that this was in play. |
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