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Post by matureleft on Apr 9, 2024 15:05:54 GMT
I wonder why Edwina Currie lost by 14,000 votes when she was one of the most high profile MPs in the country, it was if she didn’t exist, electorally I mean It was the quality of the Labour candidate Much though I'd like to believe that... She led the most hopeless, hapless campaign I've ever seen - and I've seen a few. She was virtually disengaged - her daughter was promoting a record during the election and she got involved in that taking her well away from Derbyshire. She spoke so gloomily both to party members and to the media that quite a few gave up (and one was so pissed off that he offered to support Labour and, I think, briefly joined. A member of her staff had already joined with a lot of publicity). She had angered a few of the more traditional Conservatives anyway - she was (comfortably) more pro-EU than I was (!) and held pretty liberal views on education and gay rights, for example. I was shocked at the people who said they voted Labour to get rid of her while holding views that might have made Attila the Hun flinch. I was approached by Conservative MPs who described her defeat as a Tory gain..! She'd anyway surrendered the local media, scarcely appearing. Her recent attempt to get elected to the European Parliament for a completely different part of the country went down like a stone in Derbyshire. Her media notoriety had been quite a popular badge for the area in the 1980s, but many people had become bored, mildly embarrassed and doubting her serious commitment to the area. But, to be fair, as the Tory agent told me her antics perhaps meant losing by 14,000 rather than 11,000. Labour would have won by a street even with her kicking toward our goal and maintaining a good profile. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 9, 2024 15:27:48 GMT
WTF do you know?
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Post by swingometer on Apr 9, 2024 15:53:12 GMT
I wonder why Edwina Currie lost by 14,000 votes when she was one of the most high profile MPs in the country, it was if she didn’t exist, electorally I mean Because she was a Conservative candidate in a marginal constituency at a time of a Labour landslide. Being "high profile" doesn't suddenly mean that people will be more likely to vote for a candidate than otherwise, if they are in the "wrong" party anyway. It was the 2nd largest majority for a Labour seat that was taken off the Tories, there must have been a reason. To make matters worse, the only one larger was Hayes and Harrington, hardly natural Tory territory anyway |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 9, 2024 15:58:25 GMT
Results like these can only happen when your own core vote really hates you,
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 9, 2024 19:00:28 GMT
Had I lived in this constituency in 1997 I suspect this is one of those seats where I would have voted Labour just to make sure. With the best will in the world, it would have had nothing to do with the quality of the Labour candidate
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Apr 10, 2024 6:07:45 GMT
In the context of 1997, Raymond Robertson’s result was not THAT bad. Yes he was 3rd but he was only 3920 behind Anne Begg. David Shaw lost Dover by 11700 for example. I wonder why Edwina Currie lost by 14,000 votes when she was one of the most high profile MPs in the country, it was if she didn’t exist, electorally I mean
Eggwina was a very marmite politician, from the start. By the time of that election she'd managed to mix in mustard, bovril and tartar sauce to the mix, making her unpalatable to most.
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Post by matureleft on Apr 10, 2024 6:33:01 GMT
I wonder why Edwina Currie lost by 14,000 votes when she was one of the most high profile MPs in the country, it was if she didn’t exist, electorally I mean
Eggwina was a very marmite politician, from the start. By the time of that election she'd managed to mix in mustard, bovril and tartar sauce to the mix, making her unpalatable to most.
She spent a long period largely out of politics after 1997, as a radio host, TV appearances, getting divorced and remarried, and writing (most notoriously her diaries). She returned to Derbyshire a while back (at the other end, in the Peak District). She appeared reconciled to the new model Johnson Conservative Party and Brexit and stood, unsuccessfully, for election to the county council in 2021 in Whaley Bridge against the former Labour MP Ruth George. The seat saw an unusually vigorous campaign with a high turnout. There appeared to be some personal edge, at least on her side. She was 74 then so all credit for putting a shift in in a marginal division at that stage of her life. |
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Post by batman on Apr 10, 2024 7:25:39 GMT
So she hasn't won an election since 1992. Mind you, that's better than my record
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 10, 2024 7:40:42 GMT
So she hasn't won an election since 1992. Mind you, that's better than my record May your 32 year drought end shortly |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 10, 2024 9:47:55 GMT
Its a bit longer than that in Barnaby's case  |
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Post by stb12 on Apr 11, 2024 16:10:17 GMT
One member of the forum is now standing tall after reading this post.  Hmm… not too sure what you mean In case you’re still wondering matureleft is the Labour candidate and subsequent MP who defeated her |
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Post by swingometer on Apr 11, 2024 16:11:11 GMT
Hmm… not too sure what you mean In case you’re still wondering matureleft is the Labour candidate and subsequent MP who defeated her I’m starstruck now… let me get my hat and sunglasses 🙈 |
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 11, 2024 16:15:45 GMT
It was the springboard to a magnificent career that peaked when he was voted VUKPOTY 2023 as part of that year's Labour landslide.
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Post by john07 on Apr 12, 2024 3:04:36 GMT
So she hasn't won an election since 1992. Mind you, that's better than my record I haven't won an election since 1981. Mind you I haven't lost one since 1979! |
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Post by Clark on Apr 12, 2024 7:26:01 GMT
It was the quality of the Labour candidate Much though I'd like to believe that... She led the most hopeless, hapless campaign I've ever seen - and I've seen a few. She was virtually disengaged - her daughter was promoting a record during the election and she got involved in that taking her well away from Derbyshire. She spoke so gloomily both to party members and to the media that quite a few gave up (and one was so pissed off that he offered to support Labour and, I think, briefly joined. A member of her staff had already joined with a lot of publicity). She had angered a few of the more traditional Conservatives anyway - she was (comfortably) more pro-EU than I was (!) and held pretty liberal views on education and gay rights, for example. I was shocked at the people who said they voted Labour to get rid of her while holding views that might have made Attila the Hun flinch. I was approached by Conservative MPs who described her defeat as a Tory gain..! She'd anyway surrendered the local media, scarcely appearing. Her recent attempt to get elected to the European Parliament for a completely different part of the country went down like a stone in Derbyshire. Her media notoriety had been quite a popular badge for the area in the 1980s, but many people had become bored, mildly embarrassed and doubting her serious commitment to the area. But, to be fair, as the Tory agent told me her antics perhaps meant losing by 14,000 rather than 11,000. Labour would have won by a street even with her kicking toward our goal and maintaining a good profile. I guess in your maiden speech, where one normally pays tribute to their predecessor was " a challenge"  |
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Post by matureleft on Apr 12, 2024 7:32:53 GMT
Much though I'd like to believe that... She led the most hopeless, hapless campaign I've ever seen - and I've seen a few. She was virtually disengaged - her daughter was promoting a record during the election and she got involved in that taking her well away from Derbyshire. She spoke so gloomily both to party members and to the media that quite a few gave up (and one was so pissed off that he offered to support Labour and, I think, briefly joined. A member of her staff had already joined with a lot of publicity). She had angered a few of the more traditional Conservatives anyway - she was (comfortably) more pro-EU than I was (!) and held pretty liberal views on education and gay rights, for example. I was shocked at the people who said they voted Labour to get rid of her while holding views that might have made Attila the Hun flinch. I was approached by Conservative MPs who described her defeat as a Tory gain..! She'd anyway surrendered the local media, scarcely appearing. Her recent attempt to get elected to the European Parliament for a completely different part of the country went down like a stone in Derbyshire. Her media notoriety had been quite a popular badge for the area in the 1980s, but many people had become bored, mildly embarrassed and doubting her serious commitment to the area. But, to be fair, as the Tory agent told me her antics perhaps meant losing by 14,000 rather than 11,000. Labour would have won by a street even with her kicking toward our goal and maintaining a good profile. I guess in your maiden speech, where one normally pays tribute to their predecessor was " a challenge" I had a reasonable but very limited relationship with her - I had met her outside politics in my publishing career. I was courteous. |
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Post by stb12 on Apr 12, 2024 8:54:55 GMT
Much though I'd like to believe that... She led the most hopeless, hapless campaign I've ever seen - and I've seen a few. She was virtually disengaged - her daughter was promoting a record during the election and she got involved in that taking her well away from Derbyshire. She spoke so gloomily both to party members and to the media that quite a few gave up (and one was so pissed off that he offered to support Labour and, I think, briefly joined. A member of her staff had already joined with a lot of publicity). She had angered a few of the more traditional Conservatives anyway - she was (comfortably) more pro-EU than I was (!) and held pretty liberal views on education and gay rights, for example. I was shocked at the people who said they voted Labour to get rid of her while holding views that might have made Attila the Hun flinch. I was approached by Conservative MPs who described her defeat as a Tory gain..! She'd anyway surrendered the local media, scarcely appearing. Her recent attempt to get elected to the European Parliament for a completely different part of the country went down like a stone in Derbyshire. Her media notoriety had been quite a popular badge for the area in the 1980s, but many people had become bored, mildly embarrassed and doubting her serious commitment to the area. But, to be fair, as the Tory agent told me her antics perhaps meant losing by 14,000 rather than 11,000. Labour would have won by a street even with her kicking toward our goal and maintaining a good profile. I guess in your maiden speech, where one normally pays tribute to their predecessor was " a challenge" In fairness I don’t really think something like that should generally be a challenge as it’s a good courteous convention It should only be if there was genuinely a very bad personal relationship that went beyond political disagreements, or if the predecessor ended up being guilty of a dreadful crime or something along those lines |
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