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Post by finsobruce on Feb 15, 2018 22:30:17 GMT
Hmm weird. I recall every which way and possibility being mooted by the government at some point. And why if she is doing such a good job at this are you trying to get rid of her? Nothing from Guido Fawkes is ever helpful. The fundamentals have always been there. She has always said we are leaving both the CU and SM since Florence. What you are referring to is, I think, Government ministers etc. leaking stuff, which turns out not to be true, because they are either on permanent manoeuvres, Boris and Amber, or are trying to subvert Brexit stealthily, Hammond and elements of the Civil Service. I want rid of Theresa because she’s not a leader, a leader would fire any minister or civil servant who behaves the way hers have.you might not have anybody left before too long.....  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 22:37:31 GMT
The fundamentals have always been there. She has always said we are leaving both the CU and SM since Florence. What you are referring to is, I think, Government ministers etc. leaking stuff, which turns out not to be true, because they are either on permanent manoeuvres, Boris and Amber, or are trying to subvert Brexit stealthily, Hammond and elements of the Civil Service. I want rid of Theresa because she’s not a leader, a leader would fire any minister or civil servant who behaves the way hers have.you might not have anybody left before too long..... Exactly my point. A proper leader would clear them out and put new people in. Like Penny Mordaunt who has just joined, Kemi Badenoch etc. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 15, 2018 23:22:30 GMT
Hmm weird. I recall every which way and possibility being mooted by the government at some point. And why if she is doing such a good job at this are you trying to get rid of her? Nothing from Guido Fawkes is ever helpful. Tempted to change my avatar by-line to that. |
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Post by lefty on Feb 16, 2018 0:17:42 GMT
Theresa May, as bad as her campaign was, did attract voters. The Conservatives actually got quite a lot of votes and May was still a part of that. Can't rule anything out but I don't think Boris would have got many more votes than May, he would have attracted some but repelled others. If pushed I'd say largely similar result.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 16, 2018 1:58:16 GMT
Bemusement at bizarre posts? Absolutely. What evidence do you have that that people in Northern England and South Wales 'increasingly realise that Labour lied to them' exactly? Looks to me like your usual confusion between fantasy and reality. 1. Why are you addressing me as if I'm a politician? Or automatically loyal at all to party positions on any issue? Again, bizarre. 2. I understand that all they talk about in Peterlee, Pontefract and Pontypool are free trade deals  . The tendency of a certain type of right-wing anti-EU fanatic with delusions of Imperial grandeur to assume that everyone who voted to leave the EU shares their peculiar worldview is one of the most absurd cases of self-deception imaginable. Anyway, if there's dissatisfaction from people who voted Labour with the party over Europe - and I don't know if there really is particularly... people with #fpbe in their twitter handles are fewer in number than that bubble assumes - its not coming from that direction. |
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Post by kitesurfer on Feb 18, 2018 12:18:47 GMT
I do not think there would have been a vote in 2017.
I believe Theresa May benefitted from the fact that the public knew very little about her when she first became PM. She carried no baggage. Her stoic personality, the quotation about her being a ‘bloody difficult wonan’ and the brilliant speech when she arrived in Downing Street gave the entire country in the impression that she was in touch with public opinion, that she could unite the country during a difficult time and would be tough when negotiating Brexit. She seemed such a welcome contrast to the 2015/16 version of Corbyn. Even a lot of Remainers respected her, because she voted Remain and was perceived to be following the instructions of the public.
Boris by contrast was hated by a lot of remainers. A lot of people believed that Brexit only occurred because he campaigned for it and that he only did so for his selfish political gain. He was also perceived by many as a figure of fun, so would not have distinguished himself from Corbyn in the same way as Theresa May. Had he been elected leader, the party would also have been quite divided, which would have meant negative headlines.
Although the pre-election campaign Corbyn is remembered for being weak and unpopular, he did a lot less badly in the opinion polls when Cameron was PM. I appreciate that he was rarely ahead, but they were often neck and neck. In the 2016 local elections, Labour had fewer losses than the Tories. A big part of the reason the Tories were so far ahead pre-election was thanks to Theresa May.
Had Boris been elected, I imagine he would have had only moderate leads in the polls and he would not have risked an election.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Feb 18, 2018 14:08:06 GMT
and the brilliant speech when she arrived in Downing Street A speech that, had it been given by a Labour politician, would have generated some 'interesting' headlines in the Mail, Express, Telegraph etc. |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 20, 2018 8:45:59 GMT
I understand that all they talk about in Peterlee, Pontefract and Pontypool are free trade deals . Indeed - I would suggest the exact opposite. I think they want protectionism and a boost for British jobs. And when the offshore Singapore lobby try out their experiment should they get the opportunity the fury of the inevitable failure to assist those areas will be palpable. |
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. The tendency of a certain type of right-wing anti-EU fanatic with delusions of Imperial grandeur to assume that everyone who voted to leave the EU shares their peculiar worldview is one of the most absurd cases of self-deception imaginable.
