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Post by kvasir on May 3, 2012 12:02:31 GMT
Interesting. So If Labour win Abbey (the incumbent Green is standing down) that would be the end of the Greens in Cambridge right?  This makes overall control of Cambridge more likely too. BTW Pete, Labour is a broad church party, we accept people of all hair styles and no hair at all.  |
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Post by marksenior on May 3, 2012 12:05:47 GMT
BTW Pete, Labour is a broad church party, we accept people of all hair styles and no hair at all. and those of who have no principles and are happy to kick in the teeth 1,100 people who voted for him as a Green |
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Post by Tony Otim on May 3, 2012 12:22:53 GMT
Interesting. So If Labour win Abbey (the incumbent Green is standing down) that would be the end of the Greens in Cambridge right? This makes overall control of Cambridge more likely too. Regrettably, I fear the first is quite likely now temporarily at least. As to the second, time will tell. |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 3, 2012 12:26:11 GMT
Translation: I decided that being in the Labour Party would be better for me than being in the Green Party |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 3, 2012 12:27:54 GMT
Translation: I quite fancy being an MP one day.
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Post by thirdchill on May 3, 2012 12:30:18 GMT
Translation: I quite fancy being an MP one day. Other possible translation: I want to be on the ruling group of the council (in the future, don;t think labour will snatch control just yet). |
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Post by Tony Otim on May 3, 2012 12:34:11 GMT
Translation: I quite fancy being an MP one day. Other possible translation: I want to be on the ruling group of the council (in the future, don;t think labour will snatch control just yet). Which cries out for him to lose his seat in 2014 just as Labour take control of the council  |
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Post by stepney on May 3, 2012 18:32:59 GMT
Oh for Christ's sake.
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Post by iainbhx on May 3, 2012 18:51:47 GMT
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Post by Tangent on May 3, 2012 20:50:14 GMT
Thats sly on polling day and group leader too. Had he been campaigning for his ward colleague up until today? He had, apparently, explictly given his Green colleagues the impression that he was merely taking a short break from politics right up until his announcement. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 3, 2012 22:19:55 GMT
Thats sly on polling day and group leader too. Had he been campaigning for his ward colleague up until today? Judging by his twitter account, his attention was more focused on Romsey, where he was backing the SWPer. I get the impression that the Green organisation in Labour had been disintegrating due to Margaret Wright's illness and the divisions within the Cambridge Green Party, although my knowledge of Abbey is not that extensive. Either way, he qualified as a teacher not too long ago and recently moved outside Cambridge, so I'd suspect his time for activism is not as extensive as it was when he was first elected. As he got any justification apart from immaturity for kicking those who voted for him in the teeth . I think his justification might be that sufficient of those who voted Green in 2010 now vote Labour and were never all that hostile to us anyway. That's a guess, he might justify himself differently. As I don't personally know Pogonowski, nor was I appraised that this defection was on the cards, I can't presume to speak on his behalf. Interesting. So If Labour win Abbey (the incumbent Green is standing down) that would be the end of the Greens in Cambridge right? There'd still be Simon Sedgwick-Jell on the county, although he is a creature all of his own. And I think there's a reasonably-sized Green membership, although several of the most prominent figures have left or fallen out with the party in recent years. It's a complex story I don't claim to fully understand. Translation: I quite fancy being an MP one day. I suspect he does. But he'd have had a much better chance of becoming a PPC if he'd stayed in the Green Party, so I doubt that's the motive factor behind the defection. Were I to be cynical, a more likely explanation would be that he thinks he'll be the 22nd Labour member and therefore in a position to demand concessions. But I really have no idea. For the record, I think this is a vast over-simplification of Cambridge Labour - although it's true for Jeremy Benstead, which is the example he gave. Although it is a broad church, which has room for Islingtonism within it... |
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Post by stepney on May 3, 2012 22:38:34 GMT
For the record, I think this is a vast over-simplification of Cambridge Labour - although it's true for Jeremy Benstead, which is the example he gave. Although it is a broad church, which has room for Islingtonism within it... Oh, you misunderstand me; I have no idea how Cambridge Labour thinks. I simply think (a) the idea the country is crying out for 'old Labour' as defined is stupid and (b) the idea that Owen Jones is anything more than a sanctimonious, spoilt, middle-class Oxbridge-educated student-union politician twerp spouting Sparty platitudes is ridiculous. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 3, 2012 22:44:39 GMT
For the record, I think this is a vast over-simplification of Cambridge Labour - although it's true for Jeremy Benstead, which is the example he gave. Although it is a broad church, which has room for Islingtonism within it... Oh, you misunderstand me; I have no idea how Cambridge Labour thinks. I simply think (a) the idea the country is crying out for 'old Labour' as defined is stupid and (b) the idea that Owen Jones is anything more than a sanctimonious, spoilt, middle-class Oxbridge-educated student-union politician twerp spouting Sparty platitudes is ridiculous.[/quote] No, I understood that. I just figured that I should make clear that said attitude is not omnipresent in Cambridge CLP. I agree with Owen Jones on a lot of things, but the idea that he reflects the national zeitgeist is somewhat less than credible to me. Particularly since even Owen Jones admits he's most of what you accused him of, and those are hardly universally popular qualities. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 10:18:25 GMT
There we go. Was somebody promised a plum cabinet post then?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 7, 2012 10:23:22 GMT
There we go. Was somebody promised a plum cabinet post then? I really think the Liberal Democrats are in no position to complain about people selling out their principles for the promise of cabinet positions. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 10:26:43 GMT
There we go. Was somebody promised a plum cabinet post then? I really think the Liberal Democrats are in no position to complain about people selling out their principles for the promise of cabinet positions.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 10:31:27 GMT
There we go. Was somebody promised a plum cabinet post then? I really think the Liberal Democrats are in no position to complain about people selling out their principles for the promise of cabinet positions. Wind your neck in. You are beginning to sound terribly pompous. There is no inflection, no hint of emphasis of complaint in my statement. Very simple really. |
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Post by dizz on May 7, 2012 13:50:19 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 8, 2012 11:59:20 GMT
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