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Post by stepney on Apr 12, 2012 7:45:41 GMT
For once I have smited someone who has clearly deserved it,and I find myself agreeing with Al.  This is a thread about actual defections, so let's stop this trolling and ramping that a Tory MP is defecting to UKIP unless and until we actually see it - or I shall start rumours (on good authority guv, a bloke down the pub told me) that Jeremy Corbyn's off to Respect.  |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 12, 2012 7:56:15 GMT
Being a member of a patty for almost twenty years, I cannot think of the reasons that would cause someone to defect / resign from a party and wanted to know if there is more to a defection that just being aggrieved over a policy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 8:36:52 GMT
Reasons can go from being annoyed at one policy to having a disproportionate strop over a minor issue (....no, I know nothing about that) to full scale, all out U-turn, soul searching what have you. At a local level there is BOUND to be point scoring and pettiness.
You hear people (in fact I think VInce Cable has explained in great detail) how moving from one party to another (in his case away from Labour) was down to his feelings staying the same whilst the party moved away from him. Shaun Woodward used that explanation about his switch to Labour from the Tories.
No science behind it, m'afraid.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 12, 2012 9:07:35 GMT
or I shall start rumours (on good authority guv, a bloke down the pub told me) that Jeremy Corbyn's off to Respect. Oh yes, please  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 9:59:33 GMT
Peter Stringfellow - Tory to UKIP  ha ha good luck with him !! you attract some right strange bedfellows |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 12, 2012 11:58:11 GMT
Often the latter two possibilities are excuses given for the first two (and also the fourth) possibilities on the list.
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Post by thirdchill on Apr 12, 2012 12:19:19 GMT
Being a member of a patty for almost twenty years, I cannot think of the reasons that would cause someone to defect / resign from a party and wanted to know if there is more to a defection that just being aggrieved over a policy? Possible reasons include: - self preservation (if your party is really unpopular and it's looking like you will lose your seat) - personal ambition, e.g. to become a cabinet member in the ruling party - wanting to help your constituents (i.e. being able to do more for your ward by being a member of the controlling group) - breakdown of working relationships with your party colleagues - anger over a particular policy - your political views have changed over time and no longer match those of your party - your party's political position has changed over time and no longer matches your own Reason 1 has been the reason for some of the defections, though nobody will ever admit it, usually citing reasons 4, 5, 6 or 7. I'd rather have a councillor resign/go independent than simply join another political party in mid-term without an election. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 13, 2012 13:43:11 GMT
I've now completed the nominations for seven councils in Wales and I have noted a large number of councillors (and indeed candidates who have defected since 2008) and they seem to be going all over the place
From Con
Alan Wintle (Drybridge, Monmouthshire) to Ind
Val Smith (Llanbadoc, Monmouthshire) to Lab
Sarah Millington (Llandrindod South, Powys) to Ind
William Crump (Raglan, Monmouthshire) to Ind
Graham Down (Shirenewton, Monmouthshire) to Ind
Overall: Con -5 Lab +1 Ind +4
From Lab
John Marshall (Green Lane, Monmouthshire) to Ind
Johnathan Wilson (Pangam, Caerphilly) to Ind
David Thomas (Rhyl South West, Denbighshire) to Ind
Glyn Williams (Rhyl South West, Denbighshire) to Ind
Dave Rees (Risca West, Caerphilly) to Ind
Donald Cullen (Ynysddu, Caerphiully) to Plaid
Overall: Lab -6 Ind +5 Plaid +1
From Lib Dem
Rosetta Dolphin (Greenfield, Flintshire) to Ind
Tim Newhouse (Hope, Flintshire) to NPI
James George (Lansdown, Monmouthshire) to Lab
Jeff Holmes (Llangattock, Powys) to Ind
Melanie Tunnicliffe (Llangors, Powys) to Ind
Richard White (Newtown East, Powys) to Con
Garry Banks (Prestigene, Powys) to Ind
Liam Fitzpatrick (Talybont on Usk, Powys) to Ind
Overall: Lib Dem -8 Ind +5 Con +1 Lab +1 NPI +1
From Plaid
Sian Caiach (Hengoed, Carmarthenshire) to People First
Aled Davies (Aberystwyth, Rheidol, Ceredigion) to Ind
Overall:Plaid -2 Ind +1 People First +1
Overall: Con -4 Lab -10 Lib Dem -16 Plaid -3 Ind +15 NPI +1 People First +1
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 13, 2012 13:47:18 GMT
Are there any going the other way, ie former independents now standing under a party banner?
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 13, 2012 13:47:50 GMT
Your overall totals look a bit funny for Lab, Plaid and LDs- think you might want to look at them again...
I'd make it Lab -4, Plaid -1 and Ld - 8 from your other figures
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 13, 2012 13:56:03 GMT
Just wait till you get to Gwynedd!
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 13, 2012 14:01:38 GMT
Just wait till you get to Gwynedd! Doesn't that come under "Things that Mortal Man was not meant to know"? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 13, 2012 14:59:56 GMT
Are there any going the other way, ie former independents now standing under a party banner? It was hard enough trying to find councillors who had switched from parties so trying to find Independents will be a nightmare (but if I come across any from now on, I'll make a note) |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 13, 2012 15:04:51 GMT
Your overall totals look a bit funny for Lab, Plaid and LDs- think you might want to look at them again... I'd make it Lab -4, Plaid -1 and Ld - 8 from your other figures Con lose 5, gain 1 = +4 Lab lose 6, gain 2 = -4 Lib Dem lose 8, gain 0 = -8 Plaid lose 2, gain 1 = -1 Ind gain 15 = +15 NPI gain 1 = +1 People First gain 1 = +1 Does that make more sense? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 14, 2012 21:07:56 GMT
Additional (Neath and Port Talbot Council)
John Warman (Cimla) from Lib Dem to Lab
Captain Beany (Sandfields East) from New Millennium Bean Party to Neath and Port Talbot Independents
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 15, 2012 16:24:24 GMT
Wants to be a proper Condependent, do he?
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 15, 2012 21:56:51 GMT
Lord Ahmed - suspended from the Labour Party for offering a £10m bounty for the capture of Bush or Obama.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 15, 2012 22:04:24 GMT
Not a defection, is it? And shouldn't the word "allegedly" be in there somewhere??
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 15, 2012 22:24:15 GMT
What is it only alleged that he's been suspended? Of course he should have been stripped of his peerage when he blackmailed the house of Lords by threatening to bring a mob down upon it. Maybe he will be now - won't hold my breath though
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