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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 17:44:43 GMT
I think a map of seats that they won at elections would be more interesting. Counting defections is cheating. You might have meant this too, but it's probably still best to ignore by-elections as well. Not only would none of those Glasgow seats for instance have notionally voted SDP/Liberal in 1983 on the present boundaries; the Glasgow Hillhead that Jenkins won in the by-election is split more or less equally between the current Glasgow North and Glasgow North West, neither of which would have elected Tam Galbraith in 1979, so... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 22, 2017 19:12:01 GMT
I think a map of seats that they won at elections would be more interesting. Counting defections is cheating. You might have meant this too, but it's probably still best to ignore by-elections as well. Not only would none of those Glasgow seats for instance have notionally voted SDP/Liberal in 1983 on the present boundaries; the Glasgow Hillhead that Jenkins won in the by-election is split more or less equally between the current Glasgow North and Glasgow North West, neither of which would have elected Tam Galbraith in 1979, so... The correct thing to do is probably use a variable colour scheme - this would also be a way round the boundary changes issue. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 23, 2017 0:29:35 GMT
No such constituency exists, but I know which one you mean and I was surprised to see it filled in with that distinctive orange hue as well. I presume New Forest East contains a small part of the 1997-2010 Romsey seat? That's the one that jumped out at me for some reason. It doesn't Thanks. That must be another one for the corrections pile, unless I've completely misread the map. You might have meant this too, but it's probably still best to ignore by-elections as well. Not only would none of those Glasgow seats for instance have notionally voted SDP/Liberal in 1983 on the present boundaries; the Glasgow Hillhead that Jenkins won in the by-election is split more or less equally between the current Glasgow North and Glasgow North West, neither of which would have elected Tam Galbraith in 1979, so... The correct thing to do is probably use a variable colour scheme - this would also be a way round the boundary changes issue. Then add another colour to indicate seats which the LDs came within 1,000 votes of winning at some point over the past 35 years (and marvel at how many are lost deposits these days). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 0:32:05 GMT
They came within 1,000 votes of a fair few in 2010.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 23, 2017 0:50:16 GMT
They came within 1,000 votes of a fair few in 2010. They also got as close as they were ever going to get in a few Tory-held seats in either 1997 or 2001 (actually the latter year in a surprising number of instances). By 2010 many of those were safely in the blue column again. My constituencies of Wells and Eastbourne were of course atypical in this regard.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 7:40:09 GMT
They came within 1,000 votes of a fair few in 2010. They also got as close as they were ever going to get in a few Tory-held seats in either 1997 or 2001 (actually the latter year in a surprising number of instances). By 2010 many of those were safely in the blue column again. My constituencies of Wells and Eastbourne were of course atypical in this regard. True. Hard to imagine the LDs getting so close in Orpington or South West Surrey now. Of course there’s precedent for Orpington (60s) and Surrey SW (look at the 80s). |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 3, 2018 20:38:31 GMT
I think I should also do maps for Conservative and Labour. Sorry, were you waiting for permission? Ok, in your own time My own time you say? ..Oh yes - I do have a vague recollection of such a thing. Anyway, you wouldn't take the starting point as 1981 obviously. 1918 perhaps (pretty sure there are no seats Labour won prior to 1918 but never since then whereas if you took 1945 as the starting point, well there is at least one) |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 4, 2018 1:32:29 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 4, 2018 1:32:45 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 4, 2018 1:33:06 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 4, 2018 1:33:30 GMT
Posted those before here o/c but always fun to do so again.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 4, 2018 11:08:11 GMT
1918 perhaps (pretty sure there are no seats Labour won prior to 1918 but never since then whereas if you took 1945 as the starting point, well there is at least one) Holland with Boston, I presume? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 4, 2018 11:27:31 GMT
Seat that Labour won before 1918 but not since: Clitheroe/Ribble Valley.
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Post by robbienicoll on Feb 4, 2018 11:51:12 GMT
I take it they've coloured in three Glasgow constituencies because the old Glasgow Hillhead covers at least parts of them... I’d imagine so. Similar situation to Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale (Tweeddale, Ettrick & Lauderdale) and Aberdeen South (Kincardine & Deeside). Could potentially be that Aberdeen South in the Scottish Parliament was represented by Nicol Stephen 1999-2007. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2018 12:21:17 GMT
Seat that Labour won before 1918 but not since: Clitheroe/Ribble Valley. Clitheroe was Labour in 1945 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2018 12:26:31 GMT
Here we go. Undoubtedly there's going to be some errors. I haven't employed the single drop principle so for example I don't have Broxbourne shaded red although a small part of it (Northaw) has had a Labour MP but where a vaguely defined 'significant amount' of a seat has had an MP from the party in question I have included it, hence Argyll & Bute on the basis of Helensburgh etc and Ross, Cromarty etc on the basis of Lochaber. For sure there will be some inconsistencies, Anyway - i've done two for the Conservatives one post -1918 and another post-1945 because the first is so skewed by the 1931 result  Conservative since 1918  Conservative since 1945  NB - not included defections |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2018 12:28:34 GMT
1918 perhaps (pretty sure there are no seats Labour won prior to 1918 but never since then whereas if you took 1945 as the starting point, well there is at least one) Holland with Boston, I presume? Yes the only one I think |
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Post by islington on Feb 4, 2018 13:11:59 GMT
Posted those before here o/c but always fun to do so again. Sibboleth, quite apart from the info about how the different parties fared (interesting though that is) - Where did you get the base map? It looks wonderful. Is there an uncoloured version? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 4, 2018 14:09:12 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 4, 2018 19:04:55 GMT
Where did you get the base map? It looks wonderful. Is there an uncoloured version? I drew it. Original here. Also for 1945. And there's also one for 1955-1974 here. They're coloured by county. |
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